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    1. Daniel Gustafsson‏ @d_gustafsson 14 Apr 2019
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      Since moving to Github, we get first-time contributors with drive-bys as well as complicated patches with bugfixes and features in *every* release, on a 2 month cycle

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    2. Daniel Gustafsson‏ @d_gustafsson 14 Apr 2019
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      I dont particularly advocate GH for postgres, but believing the tool is the problem for getting contributions is false iMHO

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    3. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 14 Apr 2019
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      I mean at the very least we should have a http://CONTRIBUTING.md  and a bot that redirects PRs to the CF docs. But, then we'd need to actually have useful docs about contributing and the development workflow. What we have is a bunch of outdated and contradictory wiki pages.

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    4. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 14 Apr 2019
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      I've serious doubts about moving to github or somesuch, but I do believe that there's an actual problem here.

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    5. Tomas Vondra‏ @fuzzycz 15 Apr 2019
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      Moving? I don't think anyone suggests moving everything to GH (I certainly don't want that). It's rather about making small contributions easier for people who are already there. Or do you think that's problematic too? Why?

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    6. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @fuzzycz @d_gustafsson and

      Even if it's just a partial move, it'll split review. And I think it's extremely unlikely that we'll manage to very clearly separate what's allowed to happen in github PRs, and what on the list.

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    7. Christophe Pettus‏ @Xof 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AndresFreundTec @fuzzycz and

      I have to agree. I think that having an expedited review process for small changes (definition TBD) makes sense, but having multiple streams into the codebase would be a major headache.

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    8. Tomas Vondra‏ @fuzzycz 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @Xof @AndresFreundTec and

      Obviously, it's not without risks. I agree changes that are not obviously correct should be funneled to the list, and committers / reviewers should not be expected to watch GH. If there are volunteers willing to curate the GH queue, why not to give it a try?

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    9. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @fuzzycz @Xof and

      Outside of typo-fixes etc there's just about no obviously correct contribution by first timers. It's possible that those would suddenly appear, but I doubt it. And if there's any discussion, how would we guarantee it's archived somewhere under our control?

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    10. Andreas Scherbaum‏ @ascherbaum 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AndresFreundTec @fuzzycz and

      And why are we discouraging even the small drive-by patches by making the process unnecessary complicated for people not familiar with the PostgreSQL development process?

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      Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @ascherbaum @fuzzycz and

      Well, as I previously said. There's very few first comer contributions that actually can just be applied, and the rest requires discussion. And those need to happen somewhere where others have a chance to intervene. Doing that in GH would mandate committers watching it.

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        2. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 15 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @AndresFreundTec @ascherbaum and

          Honestly, I think there's somewhat of an infrastructure/process here (i.e. not having http://contributing.md  not auto-closing PRs with referral). But the much larger issue is that there's basically no human resources to do that kind of work.

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        3. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 15 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @AndresFreundTec @ascherbaum and

          Just adding more committers itself will barely help IMO (if not regress things) - what we need is committers that have this kind of work as a substantial portion of their day job. And then not get harassed / disadvantaged by doing fewer impressive features.

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        2. Christophe Pettus‏ @Xof 15 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @AndresFreundTec @ascherbaum and

          All that being said, it might be worthwhile to find ways to accelerate doc contributions vs code.

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        3. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 15 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @Xof @ascherbaum and

          I agree that we need to be better at that - but I'll note that a substantial portion of suggested doc changes are anywhere from outright to subtly wrong - often only caught by other senior contributors cross checking them when proposed to be committed by a committer.

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        1. Andreas Scherbaum‏ @ascherbaum 15 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @AndresFreundTec @fuzzycz and

          Just reading over a well-written GSoC proposal - the student however automatically assumes that he can submit PRs on GitHub, and the discussion happens there. It's going to be harder over time to teach outside developers how the PostgreSQL project works.

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