Our PB 560 Ventilator is being open sourced. @Medtronic design and specs will be available to be manufactured by anyone. An unprecedented human challenge requires an unprecedented response. #COVID19https://bit.ly/2QVn1oW
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this is a great first step! we would love to collaborate and help at the
@linuxfoundation to truly make this an open source collaboration that benefits the world, would love to talk to someone at your organization about thishttps://www.linuxfoundation.org/1 reply 24 retweets 157 likes -
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Please, talk to
@cra! At present the license does not conform to the Open Source Definition or the Open Source Hardware Definition. Which is to say... great job, thank you, and there's an even bigger opportunity to be found in using a proper open source license!2 replies 1 retweet 55 likes -
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Given the legal requirements in the licensing terms (specific purpose only and time bound), I don’t see how that could possibly meet the OSD. It’s still 100% open source in spirit, imho.
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It's 100% generous in spirit, but I think you'll find that many in the open source ventilator and broader open source hardware community disagree that it's 100% open source in spirit.
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Is there something nefarious going on in the license that I missed (I only skimmed through it).
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Andres Freund (Pol) Retweeted Andres Freund (Pol)
Well, not necessarily the license (although I'm far from sure). But the context is that this appears to be a PR move after medtronic had some covid19 related bad press. Seehttps://twitter.com/AndresFreundPol/status/1244878523321290752 …
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So much in this article underlines the failings of the for profit health system. It also begs the question, if the government funds the research to develop a ventilator, why isn’t the design open source from the get-go?
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One reason, among plenty others, is that it can be cheaper to buy on "normal" terms. If the US buys 10k units, but the maker also can sell 30k units to the wider market, economies of scale will allow cheaper per-unit prices.
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Replying to @AndresFreundPol @joshsimmons and
That seems orthogonal, though, no? Also open source designs push down prices because it’s way easier for suppliers to join the market.
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Large portion of the development risk / cost, as well as capabilities, is on the supplier though - they're not going to agree to just open source without an increased payoff roughly equal to lost sales
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