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    Andrea Barisani‏Verified account @AndreaBarisani May 24

    Andrea Barisani Retweeted The Wall Street Journal

    The crash happened because the human failed to intervene and because the computer, which clearly detected the need for breaking seconds before, wasn’t allowed to intervene (by humans). Let that sink in for a second.https://twitter.com/wsj/status/999653002863693824 …

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    The NTSB report said that, according to Uber, automatic emergency braking isn’t enabled in order to 'reduce the potential for erratic vehicle behavior' https://on.wsj.com/2II4j2n 
    11:00 AM - 24 May 2018
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      2. Valter Minute‏ @VMinute May 24
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        This is not what the article says. They disabled Volvo's standard emergency braking system and their system kicked in only 1.3 secs before impact, when it was too late. Human was even worse, but you could clearly see that she was distracted (as most humans in self driving cars).

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      3. Andrea Barisani‏Verified account @AndreaBarisani May 24
        Replying to @VMinute

        Is there conclusive evidence that 1.3s would have been too late? I don’t know and I am not sure either way. Unskilled and untrained drivers are not an excuse but a major issue. Worst case scenario the vehicle should drive as human only and technology should not make things worse.

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      4. Andrea Barisani‏Verified account @AndreaBarisani May 24
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani @VMinute

        The bottom line is that a system that declared that an emergency maneuver was necessary (before the human reaction time) was not allowed to do its job (probably because it is over sensitive at this stage?) and that the human failed to act in time.

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      5. Valter Minute‏ @VMinute May 24
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        I can't see how you can expect this to work. The human is not expected to be actively driving the car, but supposed to be able to understand that the system is not reacting and solve the issue. It's not possible. Those people are just scapegoats.

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      2. Secure is D‏ @secureisd May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani @mikko

        Are you conflating the Volvo emergency braking and Uber Self-driving as one? To my understanding these are two separate systems. Uber SW detected the human but decided false positive. But it was the Volvo software that was disabled.

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      3. Secure is D‏ @secureisd May 25
        Replying to @secureisd @AndreaBarisani @mikko

        This is a genuine question, so apologies if I’ve missed some context. I can’t access the WSJ as paywall, so it may include new info that I’m unaware of.

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      4. Andrea Barisani‏Verified account @AndreaBarisani May 25
        Replying to @secureisd @mikko

        That is a valid question. It however mostly relates in the investigation (which I care a little less about) and not on the overall use of tech and their advantage in emergency situations (which to me is the interesting larger topic). The NSTB report is public and better than WSJ.

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      5. Secure is D‏ @secureisd May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani @mikko

        Thanks for the reference. I see what you mean. The Volvo emergency braking systems were disabled while Uber systems were in control. BUT Uber emergency braking systems were also disabled by Uber. I had misunderstood this had meant the Volvo systems. This is indeed concerning.

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      1. Christophe Brocas‏ @cbrocas May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        When suddenly you think about old words by Isaac Asimov ... https://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/robotics.html …

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      1. http‏ @SwissHttp May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani @mikko

        It’s correct. Imagine the car would do (wrong) emergency brakings every few miles. How many accidents would that cause?

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      1. Sandro Notaro‏ @SandroNotaro May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        So, they deliberately disabled Volvo's built-in safety features, replacing it with the driver, who wasn't paying attention... Awesome.

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      1. Bootdisk‏ @bootdisk May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani @mikko

        That's bullshit. The article does not say that.

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      1. David Robert‏ @gonif69 May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani @mikko

        Just removed the For Sale sign on my ‘drive by person’ car.

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      1.  ☣‏ @0x62656E May 25
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        I think it’s a mistake in the first place to completely replace the human in this game.

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      1. Valter Minute‏ @VMinute May 24
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        They also have human operators in the cars, but how can you expect that they can understand that the system is not working and react quickly enough? And they are mostly low-pay unskilled workers, not engineers. They are there to take the blame for this kind of issues.

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      1. Valter Minute‏ @VMinute May 24
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        There are some videos showing those vehicles ignoring red lights. Uber justify that saying that self-driving system was disabled, but there is no way to independently verify that.

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      1. Valter Minute‏ @VMinute May 24
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani

        Crash happened because the self-driving system detected an object and did not brake for 4.7 seconds. And it was driving above the speed limit, IIRC.

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      1. You and 52 others‏ @kragen May 24
        Replying to @AndreaBarisani @Aelkus

        Why, does the sink need to use the bathroom or something

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