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    1. Alt  📽 Modernist‏ @RightModernist Nov 4
      Replying to @dill_irish @AnarchicEvolist

      IIRC Heraclitus never mentions Being. I think that was a preoccupation of later philosophers.He does stress how things are in constant flux-‘you don’t step into the same river twice’.Which I think suggests difficulty in grasping actuality-no sooner have you got it,than it changes

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    2. Anarchic Evolist‏ @AnarchicEvolist Nov 4
      Replying to @RightModernist @dill_irish

      The Fragments we have of Heraclitus almost all deal with Nature, i.e. Becoming, not Being

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    3. Alt  📽 Modernist‏ @RightModernist Nov 4
      Replying to @AnarchicEvolist @dill_irish

      If Heraclitus is a pantheist,as some have interpreted him,then there is no God that transcends the universe.Nature & God are then synonymous. As he says,”it rests by changing”,suggesting the Divine exists in (not ‘above’) the forms,the elements etc.

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    4. Anarchic Evolist‏ @AnarchicEvolist Nov 5
      Replying to @RightModernist @dill_irish

      If there is no God, them Nature and God can not be synonymous, unless there be no Nature either. What we have of Heraclitus is so fragmentary that we have no way of knowing these things, but I suspect that Heraclitus held that the strife in nature comes from a single principle.

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    5. Alt  📽 Modernist‏ @RightModernist Nov 5
      Replying to @AnarchicEvolist @dill_irish

      Yes, he’s all about the single divine principle. He often mentions God, but this is a God without a humanlike identity (neither male not female; not feeling nor wanting; not benevolent, simply ‘wise’), so in this he’s in agreement with Xenophanes.

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    6. Anarchic Evolist‏ @AnarchicEvolist Nov 5
      Replying to @RightModernist @dill_irish

      Ofc, the normal conception of God

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    7. Alt  📽 Modernist‏ @RightModernist Nov 5
      Replying to @AnarchicEvolist @dill_irish

      But the Christian conception of God is one who is Father, loving (though also capable of anger, at least in the OT) & omnibenevolent. Theologians might posit something more abstract, but that isn’t the popular conception, which is what counts.

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    8. Anarchic Evolist‏ @AnarchicEvolist Nov 5
      Replying to @RightModernist @dill_irish

      Haha the popular conception is what counts least, it will always be degenerate in some degree

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    9. Alt  📽 Modernist‏ @RightModernist Nov 5
      Replying to @AnarchicEvolist @dill_irish

      It’s the one that counts because it’s the one that determines how the mass of believers (and non-believers,come to think of it) behave. In the end, the thought of Heraclitus is not compatible with Christianity. He claims there is no set purpose to human nature, thus no salvation.

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    10. Alt  📽 Modernist‏ @RightModernist Nov 5
      Replying to @RightModernist @AnarchicEvolist @dill_irish

      For Heraclitus, there is nothing to be saved from in any case. Things are what they are, & that’s all.

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      Anarchic Evolist‏ @AnarchicEvolist Nov 5
      Replying to @RightModernist @dill_irish

      Heraclitus probably didn't write for the masses so his work is not even on the same domain as religion

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        2. Alt  📽 Modernist‏ @RightModernist Nov 5
          Replying to @AnarchicEvolist @dill_irish

          Heraclitus does speak of impiety - for instance, in regard to how ‘poets have imputed to the gods everything that is a shame & reproach among men.’ Probably this was why he despised Homer.

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        3. Anarchic Evolist‏ @AnarchicEvolist Nov 5
          Replying to @RightModernist @dill_irish

          It seems that the degeneration of symbolism into "mythology" was already noticed at that time

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