Who is a description of role and attribute, not what. What you are is human. Who you are is Ashkenazbol. And Essence is different from attribute/accident, as we know from Aristotle. So the Son has the attribute of being begotten, but that does not alter His Essence, which is God.
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then you get into polytheism since you get 3 members of a set, like 3 people in a set "family" the fact that you can attribute an attribute to one person of what you call god but not the others contradicts the principle of divine simplicity
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depends on your definition, but you're correct in that it's not uncommon to think of the Holy Trinity as a family. Augustine, for instance, said that the Spirit is personified Love between the Father and the Son. What makes it not polytheism is that God, by definition, is one.
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this is what I mean though. one train of logic leads to a conclusion that the Trinity is not pure monotheism, while the other side starts from an assumption of pure monotheism and they contradict when they meet. Much more honest imo to just be like orthos & say it's a mystery
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Are you not confusing the word God as in Being with the word God as in Person? Is "pure monotheism" affirming that God is one Being, or that He is one Being and one Person?
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the fact that you can make such a distinction at all means you don't believe in pure monotheism
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Nice argument
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not really, since I'm saying that divine simplicity by definition does not allow for these sorts of distinctions - being and person in this case being absolutely One and indistinguishable
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Again, really depends on what is meant by the "divine" in "divine simplicity". If by it "Being" is meant, it is undoubtedly true, if by it "Person" is meant, it is debatable.
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once again, my point is that the idea that these concepts point to the same thing wrt the divine follows directly from divine simplicity
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Afraid I'm out of arguments, will come back when I've got some more
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what's your religion btw, just out of curiosity
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Traditionalist metaphysics, Christian practice
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