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    1. Charlie‏ @WinstSpencer Oct 26
      Replying to @ashkenazbol1 @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      there is nothing logically contradictory about God being one in Essence and three in Persons

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    2. Ashkenazbol  🌲‏ @ashkenazbol1 Oct 26
      Replying to @WinstSpencer @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      it contradicts the idea of simple/pure monotheism. claiming a singularity of essense with multiple manifestations/faces/persons works, but as far as I understand it that's modalism and not the normative Christian view

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    3. Charlie‏ @WinstSpencer Oct 26
      Replying to @ashkenazbol1 @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      let's not throw manifestation/face into the basket with Person, as Person is a technical metaphysical term in this context - a Person is who you are, and Being/Essence is what you are. and you can be fundamentally one in Essence while being three in Persons.

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    4. Charlie‏ @WinstSpencer Oct 26
      Replying to @WinstSpencer @ashkenazbol1 and

      the Person is Father/Son/Holy Spirit, but the Being is God, and God by nature is singular in Being.

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    5. Ashkenazbol  🌲‏ @ashkenazbol1 Oct 26
      Replying to @WinstSpencer @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      who/what you are are descriptions of roles or attributes, not of essense. this is why divine simplicity goes with negative theology. in any case, it's clear were not talking about simple divisions of attributes here because we have them acting toward each other, one on another

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    6. Charlie‏ @WinstSpencer Oct 26
      Replying to @ashkenazbol1 @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      Who is a description of role and attribute, not what. What you are is human. Who you are is Ashkenazbol. And Essence is different from attribute/accident, as we know from Aristotle. So the Son has the attribute of being begotten, but that does not alter His Essence, which is God.

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    7. Ashkenazbol  🌲‏ @ashkenazbol1 Oct 26
      Replying to @WinstSpencer @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      then you get into polytheism since you get 3 members of a set, like 3 people in a set "family" the fact that you can attribute an attribute to one person of what you call god but not the others contradicts the principle of divine simplicity

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    8. Charlie‏ @WinstSpencer Oct 26
      Replying to @ashkenazbol1 @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      depends on your definition, but you're correct in that it's not uncommon to think of the Holy Trinity as a family. Augustine, for instance, said that the Spirit is personified Love between the Father and the Son. What makes it not polytheism is that God, by definition, is one.

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    9. Ashkenazbol  🌲‏ @ashkenazbol1 Oct 26
      Replying to @WinstSpencer @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      this is what I mean though. one train of logic leads to a conclusion that the Trinity is not pure monotheism, while the other side starts from an assumption of pure monotheism and they contradict when they meet. Much more honest imo to just be like orthos & say it's a mystery

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    10. Charlie‏ @WinstSpencer Oct 26
      Replying to @ashkenazbol1 @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

      Of course it's a mystery, but it's a logically consistent mystery

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      Anarchic Evolist‏ @AnarchicEvolist Oct 26
      Replying to @WinstSpencer @ashkenazbol1 @ScionOfKohan

      Mystery does not mean unknowable

      9:47 AM - 26 Oct 2018
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        2. Ashkenazbol  🌲‏ @ashkenazbol1 Oct 26
          Replying to @AnarchicEvolist @WinstSpencer @ScionOfKohan

          from what I understand, the orthos don't even bother to do so on any scholastic level, they just assert it as is

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        3. Charlie‏ @WinstSpencer Oct 26
          Replying to @ashkenazbol1 @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

          maybe now, because of some desire to separate themselves from the Thomistic consensus, but here's Saint Gregory of Nyssa on the Trinity: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2905.htm …

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        4. Ashkenazbol  🌲‏ @ashkenazbol1 Oct 26
          Replying to @WinstSpencer @AnarchicEvolist @ScionOfKohan

          hmm, was not aware of this

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