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AKA BR McCoy. Writes SF/F. Job is yelling about space; linguistic yelling is free. #PitchWars 19 mentee. Pick a pronoun; idc. Avatar by @SmilingGrouch

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    Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 28 Sep 2020

    Amelia Bloody Rose Retweeted Arthur Chu

    I ... MAY ... have commented once or twice on the stupid nature of JKR's magic spells, and specifically how linguistically nonsensical they are, but this is one I had not heard!https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1310777365207773190 …

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    Arthur ChuVerified account @arthur_affect
    Because I'm petty, I'm going to gather you all around and tell you about that time JK Rowling was extremely wrong about something and, by being wrong about it, poisoned Google search results for it for years afterwards and generally made the world ignorant about it
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      2. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 29 Sep 2020

        Amelia Bloody Rose Retweeted Amelia Bloody Rose

        I can be forgiving of authors who aren't obsessive about linguistics if it's not their focus, but I'm more likely to overlook fudging if it's for a good story. (See: Star Trek's Darmok.) But in the case of these books, it's a symptom of overall lazinesshttps://twitter.com/AmeliaRoseWrite/status/1263291705383546880?s=19 …

        Amelia Bloody Rose added,

        Amelia Bloody Rose @AmeliaRoseWrite
        I am a conlang nerd and LOVE that aspect of worldbuilding, but recognize that not everyone is that much of a dork and so I'm okay with others fudging it. I also try to make my spellings English-speaker-friendly, but, given English orthography, that's kind of a lost cause
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      3. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        Amelia Bloody Rose Retweeted Arthur Chu

        Folks responding to this with "it's fantasy, mate; you're allowed to make shit up" obviously don't know about the spectacular philological gymnastics of one Johnny Tolkien to retroactively justify the word "hobbit" existing in Middle-earthhttps://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1310783739253850113?s=20 …

        Amelia Bloody Rose added,

        Arthur ChuVerified account @arthur_affect
        It's just... really fucking lazy and disrespectful It would not be a big deal -- it would be depressingly par for the course -- if it were just some random fantasy book But of course it's a big deal now because the books became a big deal And she never raised her standards
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      4. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        Short answer: it does not. There is no such word as "hobbit" in Middle-earth. And there was never a hobbit named "Frodo Baggins," either.

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      5. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        When he wrote The Hobbit, it was supposed to be a one-off, comedic adventure For Kids, completely separate from his side project of building a mythos. He used fun neologisms like "hobbit." In the first edition, there are references to things like policemen on bicycles

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      6. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        He did use names from the Edda, an Old Norse book of poems, for the Dwarves, more as an in-joke than anything

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      7. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        His publisher wanted a sequel to The Hobbit and he set about writing one starring Bilbo's cousin Bingo, but somewhere in the middle of Fellowship it was sort of swallowed by his obsessive worldbuilding project and also he fortunately decided that Bingo was a stupid name

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      8. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        So it turned into a saga, but the thing is, his worldbuilding project was very much a linguistic project. Suddenly the slightly haphazard nature of the names in The Hobbit no longer fit, and he had to find some way to explain it

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      9. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        The hobbits spoke Westron, the common language of Men, which is basically rendered as English everywhere in the books. But then that led to the problem of "hobbit" not being, y'know, a "real" English word ...

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      10. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        So Johnny Ronny rummages around his Old English texts to find a word that COULD have credibly turned into "hobbit" with a bit of sound change, and he cobbles together the compound "holbytla," which means "hole-builder." BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST HAVE SOME NONSENSE WORD, BY GOD

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      11. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        And THAT bit of intensive retroactive etymology led to an entire history of the hobbits hanging out with an offshoot of men in the past, the Men of Rohan, whose language was represented by Old English in the books, so that the hobbits picked up a lot of their words

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      12. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        And ohboy, does this get talked about in the book. I seem to recall Merry, in particular, dorking out over etymology with some Rohirrim. He wrote a goddamn BOOK about it later

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      13. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        But the thing that I absolutely love about all this fussing with English, Old English and Scandinavian words and cross-pollinating, etc., is that it's all supposed to be a translation from another language anyway, so it really shouldn't matter at all. Tolkien was just METICULOUS

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      14. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        He has an entire appendix devoted to this, and how he's "translating" month names (he had to rearrange the calendar because The Hobbit mentioned things like April) and hobbit names for the ease of the reader

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      15. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        "Frodo Baggins" is a "translation" of "Maura Labingi." Maur- means "wise," according to Tolkien, so he went with a Germanic morpheme meaning the same thing, Frod-. Labingi comes from the Westron word laban, which means ... bag. None of this has the slightest bearing on the story

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      16. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        My point is that you can't appeal to Tolkien if you're going with the "shut up it's fantasy, mate" defense. My other point is that Johnny Tolkien was an obsessive nerd (surprise!), and say what you will about him, but by god he stepped up his research game when it needed stepping

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      17. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        Oh, and the Westron word for "hobbit" is "kuduk," from the "holbytla" equivalent of "Kûd-dûkan," if you were curious

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      18. Amelia Bloody Rose‏ @AmeliaRoseWrite 30 Sep 2020

        Amelia Bloody Rose Retweeted Amelia Bloody Rose

        Meanwhile, there's me:https://twitter.com/AmeliaRoseWrite/status/1123366789453246464?s=19 …

        Amelia Bloody Rose added,

        Amelia Bloody Rose @AmeliaRoseWrite
        If Tolkien was anything like me, he invented all those millennia-spanning language families purely so that he could name all his characters after ridiculous references that literally only he would ever get #amwriting #amwritingscifi
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