They’re not pitiful losers, so much as autonomous people making choices. They *choose* to be misogynist. They *choose* to be creeps. They have options for a better life, but that would require respecting women more, and they *choose* against that.
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As Alexandra Erin noted incels often complain about 'sluts' or unwanted advances made by women who aren't up to the beauty standards incels think they're entitled to.
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2. Have noticed for instance how many self-described incels far from being ugly are perfectly normal-even potentially attractive. Hell I think Elliot Rodgers was handsome. (Physically at least.) But Rodgers famously only wanted sorority blond bombshells.
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The problem is that these people see sex as wholly transactional. Something you "get" as a reward or as a self-imposed measure of self worth. They themselves reject obtainable partners because they do not offer the fulfill of these objectives. Juvenile sexuality.
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I try to be open to ideas, but this Incel thing is just the same old creeps that have always been out there. Now they can congregate on the internet. Is this just another example of how we are becoming an idiocracy.
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Agree! I don't believe that only attractive, intelligent, wealthy people can get laid. Sexual desire doesn't really work that way. Plenty of evidence that humanity likes to screw for all sorts of reasons. The "incel" logic doesn't add up.
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That you think these statements are contradictory is a perfect example of the importance of understanding both. Also the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions.
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How are they not contradictory?
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The phrase “sex is not a reward for being nice” means you are not owed sex for being nice. You should not be nice just to have sex and then let it make you bitter when it doesn’t happen. It does *not* mean that being nice has no effect on the likelihood you will have sex.
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