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Husband, Father, Parishioner, Contributor to Heart & Mouth. Also a Carpenter. (r3FORMed)

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    1. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
      Replying to @brandonwilkins_

      Fair enough. The two level fulfillment of Abraham is what did me in. I can not imagine a way in which the axe cutting the root does not eliminate the physical seed of Abraham. That is 1689 Federalism essentially. Kline is clever though. And he openly disagrees with WCF on it. 1/

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    2. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
      Replying to @mhendren48 @brandonwilkins_

      He things it is by virtue of the suzerainty of God and threat of being cut off that is primary. He associates the promise of God to the children as a threat of cut off not* the promise of life. Which is new. Lol

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    3. Brad Mason‏ @AlsoACarpenter Oct 19
      Replying to @mhendren48 @brandonwilkins_

      How does a 1689er explain why all the childrwn of Abraham, & then all Israel, were to be circumcised, given that the seed line to Christ was explicitly and public narrowed? I mean, by Judah, we knew it wasn't the other 11 tribes. By David, we knew it was an even a narrower group.

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    4. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
      Replying to @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

      so, 1689ers see this narrowing as particularly poignant. The promise was never to every single Israelite as such. the promise was for a land, a people, salvation for them was milk and honey- at least as far as covenant was concerned. It was more but not directly. 1/

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    5. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
      Replying to @mhendren48 @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

      The narrowing started all the way back at the self-malidiction. Abraham protected the ppl bc he was there to scare the birds off. He was there all the way through the promises were completed in Joshua 21 (i think). He birds are will now devour them bc they continue as cov brkrs.2

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      Brad Mason‏ @AlsoACarpenter Oct 19
      Replying to @mhendren48 @brandonwilkins_

      Right, thank you. I just mean, if the meaning of circumcision has ultimately to do with seed line to Christ, such than when He comes, it is abolished for infants, then why was all Israel required to be circumcised, given that they knew the vast majority were not in the seed line?

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        2. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          to mark them as a geo-political ppl - a shadow of the NT ppl of God. That is the 1689 answer. And be an example of what a church is like on some level. typological level with the sacrafices and ceremonial laws. I am actually reading Venema's critique of TLNF/1689 typology *rn*

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        3. Brad Mason‏ @AlsoACarpenter Oct 19
          Replying to @mhendren48 @brandonwilkins_

          Okay, gotchya. I, of course, disagree with most that, but was always wondering how the "seed line" argument could be promoted, but it sounds like you wouldn't make that argument.

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        4. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          For sure, I do wonder how you see it. Is there a decent resource you know of that addresses that specifically? Maybe that serves as a rebuttal of sorts. I understand my current position well enough to make the logical connections if I get a well est. trajectory.

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        5. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @mhendren48 @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          As an aside, I cannot see Romans 11 any other way than all Israel being ethnic Israel so my leaning is to be more covenantal in the OT. I have not figured out if 1689 is consistent with that view as most take OP Roberston's view.

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        2. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          how do you see the birds and abraham in your schema. i have never seen this worked through. it seems to have a greater biblical theological significance than this. Serves as a hermuetic (in a way) for 1689.

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        3. Brad Mason‏ @AlsoACarpenter Oct 19
          Replying to @mhendren48 @brandonwilkins_

          Well, that would be very analogical, hahaha. I also do not distinguish the covenant of Gen 15 from Gen 17. Same covenant.

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        4. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          analogical wrt what? I am not picking up what you are putting down there.

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        5. Brad Mason‏ @AlsoACarpenter Oct 19
          Replying to @mhendren48 @brandonwilkins_

          The birds interpretation.

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        6. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          Right. Sorry. I thought you meant your view would be analogous. I thought you were saying it was analogous to something else. I get what you are saying. I was asking your view as analogous wrt to ____ (that other thing it would be analogous to)

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        7. Brad Mason‏ @AlsoACarpenter Oct 19
          Replying to @mhendren48 @brandonwilkins_

          Nah, I just meant as a method of interpretation. And analogical interpretations cannot serve as a basis for the interpretation of other passages. That would be inherently circular, no?

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        8. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          I am not too sure it does. It works as a hermeneutics much the same way when Paedos argue “but what would make us think Peter doesn’t mean children are included when he says they are in Acts 2” - our presupps drive the interpretation.

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        9. Matthew‏ @mhendren48 Oct 19
          Replying to @mhendren48 @AlsoACarpenter @brandonwilkins_

          That argument seems like an exercise in premise granting to the 1689er. The promise was life in the land to them (me as it stands rn)

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