Now this gets interesting. What should be considered duties?
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Replying to @moritheil
Duties have to be voluntarily undertaken. Generally in return for some privilege. Imposing duties unilaterally is corrupt. What is theft but unilaterally imposing the duty that you give me your wallet?
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Replying to @Alrenous
Aha, interesting phrasing. From a societal standpoint I posit that duties are those things necessary for continuation of society: - Upholding oaths (maintains trust) - Serving in armed forces, as a man - Producing food, as a farmer - Bearing children, as a woman
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Replying to @moritheil @Alrenous
Now, only a dysfunctional system doesn't reward someone for doing something important. But to consider the reward part of the core of the duty is something I had not considered.
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Replying to @moritheil @Alrenous
I think it's bad marketing to shove childbearing on those who don't want it (and religion provided a way out for many women.) But as I consider duty to be a question of necessity, I had a hard time understanding why one would say producing the next generation was not a duty.
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Replying to @moritheil
It is neither good nor necessary to make reproduction obligatory. If one wishes, of their own voluntary will, to uphold their society, they may take on a duty to reproduce. Society should produce this will via negotiation. By offering members advantages over the Outside.
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Replying to @Alrenous @moritheil
By contrast, Modernism offers being harassed if you happen to fat-finger a pronoun, utterly inescapable taxes, and apparently little else.
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Replying to @Alrenous
There have been times when it certainly seemed absolutely necessary to increase the population by any means. We in our current technological bubble, with much labor done by machines, have little way of relating to those times when more men were desperately needed.
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Replying to @moritheil @Alrenous
That said, I heartily agree that ideally, all should be voluntary.
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Replying to @moritheil
In cases where there's desperation for more children, a request combined with a promise of assistance should be plenty to inspire the loyal. And the loyal should exist due to the above considerations.
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E.g. if you manage to have more kids than you can afford, the local lord promises to take in the excess. So they don't e.g. have to be sold into slavery.
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