The Legendary Dragon Alephwyr, named Alephwyr, BA

If your "movement" is way outside the Overton Window, you're going to attract "garbage people." The first wave of NRx were a bunch of well intentioned nerd dads (plus Spandrell who's just surly), who accidently thought themselves into heresy.

The second wave included a bunch of guys who were outside the Overton Window to begin with. Losers, megalomaniacs, con men who had fallen for their own cons.

To convert a high value non-believer, you must offer him status *security,* as he's already got status. This basically describes my experiences with later NRx and frog Twitter.

Fathers who don't want their sons to be downwardly mobile because of the suddenly manifesting new status system of the finally formalizing religion, as well as young Chads uninterested in having their future wives tempted to defect on them.

Frog Twitter is dangerous because preference cascades come from the elite, and every frog I've met in person is what would traditionally be considered elite.

The weirdos from NRx, the guys with their own bizarre theories of everything, the try-hard Marxists, basically everyone rushing out to insult BAP after he was banned, feel betrayed, but can't coherently articulate why.

I've always tried to be generous to losers; I always defended kids from bullies growing up. It's uncomfortable for me to attack these guys who are already attacking me and my friends, because I understand why they feel as they do.

But it's important to remember that the courses of action recommended by Moldbug/Land and BAP, which are not mutually exclusive, have actual paths to victory. The rest of these guys are well intentioned losers, upset at getting left behind.