The Legendary Dragon Alephwyr, named Alephwyr, BA

But capitalism wastes materials all the time? A example when i worked at Taco Bell, we would often change the frying oil much more than we needed to. We wasted lots of mostly clean oil bc it was considered more efficient than to let it build up to the end of the day.

Capitalism isn't without waste, but in principle and practice the freer the markets, the less the waste. Note that this isn't really against collective ownership, just against lack of market feedback.

Well capitalism seems to have ALOT of waste. I think it comes down to this. The market must keep growing or things go to shit but we live in a finite world. We cant have infinite product to sell.

That's a biology problem imho

Well markets exist in a physical world fill with life so if its a biology problem then it's still a problem for the market?

I think markets in a simulationist context would work ok: in a world of technological rather than biological life.

That seems like a bit of a cop out, that the only way your system would work smoothly is if we were cyborgs? (I assume yur implying some sort of cyborg robot consciousness)

It's untestable right now, but it's the conclusion my intuition has led me to