if a theology doesn't have an object referent *at all* around which to coordinate criticism, it's idealist, and has nothing to do with the World
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Replying to @averykimball
I don't even know what that means tbh. I just want a setting that follows a softened form of chaos magick metaphysics without people yelling incomprehensible gobbledygook at me.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
if chaos magick interacts with reality, then reality can be used to criticize chaos magick if chaos magick *doesn't care* about reality, it doesn't interact at all, then it has nothing to say about reality anyway... so do what you enjoy with it
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Replying to @averykimball @Alephwyr
if you're talking about fiction, then people shouldn't scream gobbledygook at you, that's just rude sorry if i'm doing this
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Replying to @averykimball @Alephwyr
(if you're treating fiction as an allegory for reality, then people will critique that allegorical relationship, of course)
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Replying to @averykimball
For a reality that does not yet exist tbh, that might exist, that probably should not. I am doing Egan esque stuff irt simulations and so forth that is kind of... how to put it... not relevant to anyone else but me? It's a criticism of things I think people might do in the future
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Replying to @Alephwyr @averykimball
I think exploring "what if chaos magick were real for some reason" raises the question of why it is real in the fictional setting, which in turn provides the leverage for criticism of people sucking or thinking wrongly or whatever.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
my model of chaos magick is that it's a (pseudo) culturally-uninformed triumph of personal faith over the world, with added esotericism-sauce to create aesthetic elbow-room (sorry @ chaos) so, idk, seems like a fun premise for *any* setting
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Replying to @averykimball
Being culturally informed just means being overindexed on other people's made up nonsense instead of your own
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Replying to @Alephwyr
yeah, but even individuals are constrained by culturally-provided options to solve their problems (unless they create their own) who is more individualist here, anyway
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I just think I should be able to pick and choose. All rational thought and all scientific progress is based on the principle of picking and choosing (not arbitrarily, but in accordance with higher metaprinciples). So this should be extendable into theological domain
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Replying to @Alephwyr
scientific progress's "picking" is based on criticism the critical context in which we criticize can include a surprise-filled reality that can suggest where better theories might be created, or it can be wholly rational and derivable only from paradigmatic/fideistic assumptions
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Replying to @averykimball
Yes but theological arguments all ultimately rest of revelation and authority and I have my own revelation and authority
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