Like what does it mean to "not do anything"? Who litigates what counts as a valid thing? It's not litigated. It's not even talked about. It's arbitrary, based on sentiment. Inconsistency can be valuable though, like when what you're doing is basically gambling.
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Replying to @Alephwyr @averykimball
There aren't any Midas Mulligans in this world who can tell a sound business proposition by a handshake and eye contact and the people who think there are just create incentives for incompetents to invest all their energy into shaking hands well and maintaining eye contact.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
shaking hands and maintaining eye contact isn't necessarily worse than the alternatives, if the technology is based in sound theory
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Replying to @averykimball
It's consistently worse. It's the same thing as a college degree these days. You're expected to do it precisely because it's worthless. The expectation didn't shift to think "this isn't informative", but "anything below this line must somehow be even worse"
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Replying to @averykimball
It tells people you reason conventionally, respond to incentives conventionally, and have the same predictable fallacies as others (sunk cost for instance). This is useful but it shouldn't be foundational when you are trying to select principally for capacity to do things.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
convention is institutional- it tells people that you can operate inside institutional contexts, a valuable piece of information
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Replying to @averykimball
Yes, but "operating inside institutions" can mean treading social water and not doing anything very easily. And evidence for one thing is not necessarily evidence against another, so people who haven't been to college might still be able to operate in those contexts.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
yeah, i rely on jamming cultural expectations i live in a trailer, a social signal not conducive to successfully operating inside institutions but at least i can learn to give a good handshake (and since i'm autistic, i can learn to give an *astronomical* handshake)
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Replying to @averykimball
Neurotypical bullshit is quicksand though. If you can get in, do your shit, and get out before some byzantine social misinterpretation happens then yeah, you can fake things. But youll never be able to build a model to match their instinctive bs without the damocles sword falling
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Like, my refusal to learn and fake the secrets is a filter on dealing with the messes psychopaths will otherwise cause later, I don't care what it costs me, because the alternative is that I somehow end up in prison or dead because of compounding attempts to read my body language
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Replying to @Alephwyr
i think you might just be racist against neurotypicals (not putting a value judgement on this beyond the potential for manifesting error)
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Replying to @averykimball
I am. And I'm not going to go into why, but basically every bad thing that's ever happened to me has neurotypicality as its explicit cause.
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