poor people don't possess the quiet dignity of a mythical Working Class conscience, they are assholes, culturally, and a priori being poor doesn't make them shitty people, them being shitty is necessary and sufficient for them being poor the poor are the problems the poor have
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annals of a dude who has taken a bus in a cosmopolitan society
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Replying to @averykimball
The Lumpen are legit though because they're just autistic people capable of productive work psychologically but not within the social apparatus of "the working class" which you've already admitted is shit
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Put another way, if you define "The working class" as shit then anything outside the working class is not shit and this includes classes both above and below the working class.
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honestly, the upper classes embody values that the working class would do good to emulate they just have a better culture they aren't *infallible*- we could interrogate their culture as well it comes down to *in what ways* does wealth inform culture, and vice-versa
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Dunno. The game theory of alternating bargains suggests to me that the poor are "exploited" in the sense they're bargaining from a position of weakness. But the poor also are disproportionately less competent, moral, intelligent, etc. But it's downstream of something material.
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too patronizing for my taste the *material* problem, i posit, are the materials inside their head (ideas), that their continued state is absolutely determined by their economic class the debilitating idea that "being poor is the cause of being poor" wasn't marx's innovation
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I haven't read marx. Being poor is at least sometimes the cause of being poor. It's trivial to understand this if you understand risk of ruin as inversely proportional to the bankroll you are able to feed into games of chance, which are what everything is to some extent.
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i'm forced to acknowledge that poor people have less (practically) to risk in ambitious endeavors i cannot say, coherently, that poverty has no impact on opportunity *but*, letting opportunities slip through one's fingers because culturally you know not to exploit them...
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I know someone who got an associates degree in english, then refused to go on for even a bachelors because it was "too much work". They later learned to be a radio broadcast technician but gave up a radio station job because "I can't live my job". I see it. Just not everywhere
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