You aren't solving suffering though, as I said. You're killing yourself so your clone baby can live on in a computer, and their existence probably won't be perfect unless you hook them up to cyber heroine or teach them buddhism
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Even for you it isn't a zero sum game, really you've identified problems with inherent to biological existence and sought to change them, this is a fair enough negativistic stance
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You're talking about a praxis for the reduction of suffering, specific kinds in this case. You ought to put more into that then hoping that Daddy Elon will figure it out
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Replying to @RevFoxinistSalt @NotGyro
That's not what I said. I just think distance is a good first step for dealing with volatile situations, and Mars listing billionaires are the people enabling that right now. Medium or long term I have no special faith in them
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What does having billionaires distancing themselves from earth help deal with? This would be a more comfortable existence for them, not anyone else. Do you only care if like, 1 or more human beings has a good existence?
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Replying to @RevFoxinistSalt @NotGyro
No, I want to maximize welfare. And to do that we need to get away from people who believe in things like the justice of infinite torture for sinners and other irrational ideas. The billionaires will have to be sublimated or otherwise dealt with, but their wealth builds distance
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Your proximity to bible humpers is best solved for people suffering from them by mutual aid and eventually killing them all. Which is a lot more tangible than hoping to for the 0.0001 chance that mars will both have you and be free of such puritans
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Who's to say Mars isn't full of technofascists
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Replying to @RevFoxinistSalt @NotGyro
As long as they don't practice infinite torture and implement systemic safeguards against infinite torture they can be technofascists. I'm single issue.
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So like, not eternal torture is fine, we should just be fine with that because it isn't the worst? Mate you said you were for maximizing welfare, not ruling out the most extreme version of suffering, you're contradicting yourself
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Well I mean, I think preserving processes of change is important. If we have those plus non torture we will get to the destination eventually, wherever it lies
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I think theoretically this has to be a tandem project. Non-capitalist production of technology is required to prevent super-torture, and a social production of technology will help safeguard against it
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The thing about communism to me is not that it's something we should get around to, be it by climate collapse, techno-hell or the crushing misery of a dystopian future, we are being lead to the slaughter
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