More trust for a conservative who has always rejected capitalism on first principles, than one who has rejected it empirically. Capitalism breeds success. Unequal success certainly. Objecting to it after observing it means rejecting a fair game based on an unwanted outcome.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
How do you establish the fairness of the game? It seems to me that a rejection of capitalism on empirical grounds means that capitalism has failed to fulfill one's standards of fairness.
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Replying to @MushiKachi
Most people don't have a well developed conception of fairness, especially as it concerns games with an element of chance. In which context "the dice aren't loaded" is about the best you can do.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
right, but what makes capitalism the "dice aren't loaded" scenario here?
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Replying to @MushiKachi
The dice are loaded in various ways. And Capitalism, especially actually existing Capitalism, is imperfect. But things tend to run their course more easily and often in Capitalism. They get obstructed in strange ways the more intervention there is
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Replying to @Alephwyr
Arguing that capitalism is fairer because things "run their course more easily and often" (running which course?) seems to me like preferring because it's outcome is more desirable. And, conversely, rejecting other models because one finds their projected outcomes less desirable.
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Replying to @MushiKachi @Alephwyr
Also, you're implying that capitalism is the least-intervention model, which I guess depends on your view of what an intervention is, which are necessary and which unacceptable. State enforcement of private property seems like a major intervention.
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Replying to @MushiKachi
It depends on whether you view property as a natural or legitimate social institution I guess, because if so, all the microaggressions and greater against a property claim can easily add up to be equal to or greater than the intervention of maintaining property
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Replying to @Alephwyr
Yes, it tends to ultimately be a question of which way to load the dice. I don't think either view is principally bad. The propertarian path exhibits plenty of problems at scale, the other one's issues at scale are unknown or uncertain.
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There are other systems, such as communal property in Scandanavia and some other cultures. If property is an outgrowth of ethology, then it may be that homogeneous and top down property conceptions across heterogeneous groups are the problem, rather than any given relationship.
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