I don't believe intelligent people are capable of managing other people's lives. I also don't believe unintelligent people are capable of managing other people's lives. This is why I don't believe democracy is a solution to the problems of elitism.
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Replying to @averykimball
I'm sure there is but we don't know what it is yet. Markets almost certainly play a role. I honestly think it won't matter as soon as all consciousness is synthetic, because then we can implement second-chance systems like artificial reincarnation.
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Replying to @Alephwyr @averykimball
From there experimentation can be more ethically undertaken even up to formerly unthinkable extremes.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
What exactly do you formulate *as* the problem of elitism? Why is elitism *bad* to you?
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Replying to @averykimball
Generically, all command systems suffer from problems of lack of proximity and exposure to relevant information and other imperfections. Elitism in particular is mostly objectionable only because I have very specific tastes in what I would consider elite.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
It seems like you don't have a problem with elitism *per se*, but that the wrong elites are coordinating the system.
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Replying to @averykimball
Any elite that wants to "coordinate a system" is the wrong elite. Any elite given the power to "coordinate a system" quickly becomes the wrong elite. I'm sure there are faustian triumphs of reason hidden on the road to otherwise certain hell, but it's still bad to gamble.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
I mean, "coordinating a system" and meta-coordinating a system (as you are proposing) is... really the same thing. Unilaterally dismissing democracy (or any other making decisions for others) is an elitist act.
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Replying to @averykimball
It's more self-interested than elitist. To an extent I don't believe in self-mediating my advocacy of my own interests anymore, because nobody else does so, which means to reach a proper balance of interests requires me to phrase my own interests in similarly extreme fashion.
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I don't "Unilaterally dismiss democracy" except to the extent that if I don't, we'll never get a better compromise between the interests of the mob and the interests of those harmed by the mob.
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Replying to @Alephwyr
i'm all for better solutions! better solutions that don't rely on "better elites" seem limited to democracy and markets (and markets have their own flaws, including a de facto elitism)
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