"To understand young drug addicts, they must be likened to participants in ancient initiatory rites that have fallen into disuse in our modern society. This product of the isolation of young people today 'covers up a thirst for initiation that Western culture and society can no
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longer quench, because rites of passage have disappeared from our civilizations.' The ones that had to do with sexuality, for example, have been swept away by the sexual revolution. 'Young people no longer encounter any difficulty in being initiated into sex, no obstruction, no
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taboo that might restore to the discovery of sexuality its value as a rite of passage. Where sex is concerned, there is no longer any possibility for transgression.'" - Jean-Michel Oughourlian
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue and
Sexuality can be a love affair or a kind of predation affair with many interesting sometimes violent substitution mechanisms. Sexual substitutions matter to me more than "transgression" : they explain better many sexual behaviors.
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In what manner do you consider it a predation affair? I understand the Hunt, the Game aspect, but at some level love seems to be a balancing act between feelings of attraction, complicity, fusion and repulsion, aggression, rivalry. Do you refer the latter?
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue and
You are talking there of peaceful spiced sexuality. René Girard compares sexuality and violence in Violence and the Sacred, talking about very dark behaviors. Substitutions occur with frustration, leading to make sexual objects of many things, in a predative way.
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Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue and
Okay, I have read some of his stuff on sadomasochism, bdsm type of stuff is that what you are referring to or does he talk about paraphilia in general or toward inanimate objects or non-humans? Is this sexuality “love”? I have yet to finished Violence & The Sacred.
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue and
But even in sexuality love, René Girard observed that orgasm looks like a crisis with doubles and a resolution (non sacrificial ?) when a climax has been reached. The structure of love making is strangely similar to the structure of collective violence.
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Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue and
I have not read that and would need to think about it but yes sex is an aggressive, testosterone fueled event so it checks out at first glance.
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue and
Women have orgasms too but I don't know what hormones are involved, probably not testosterone. Pleasure leads to reproduction, its biological function is obvious, but why is it given in such a paroxystic way, I don't know.
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No, I’m not talking about orgasm or climax, but the sex act itself leading up to the climax, which involves a lot of testosterone from both sexes. Testosterone in some sense is the sex hormone for both, men having more is why they have much higher libido.
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This I got from
@RationalMale not any psychological literature so I could be mistaken. My understanding is it’s interrelated with adrenaline as well and with all the excitement that makes sense.0 replies 0 retweets 0 likesThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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