Also note that the ten commandments appear in Exodus and Deuteronomy and those books command specific punishments. Worshipping other gods: death. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10) Blasphemy: death. (Deuteronomy 18:20) Not observing the Sabbath: death. (Exodus 31:14)
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Replying to @AirliftAnders @BretWeinstein
Agree on that one but mostly that it was “corrected” in Christianity. I tend to agree with you but don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water or mistake the unintelligible with the undintelligent. I don’t think the superficial reasons always match the real ones
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @BretWeinstein
In Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus makes it clear that the old laws outlined in places Deuteronomy and Exodus should be upheld and unchanged. While the culture changes, Christianity always has the potential to return to the cruel, incivil and unwise text of the Bible.
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Replying to @AirliftAnders @BretWeinstein
He says to keep my commandments and that the law should be upheld Meaning the mosaic law on the stone tablets. Not the pharisaical nit picky dietary restrictions and definitely not the stonings.
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @BretWeinstein
In Matthew 5:18 Jesus directly contradicts you, stating, "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
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Replying to @AirliftAnders @BretWeinstein
But what does he mean by law, always took that as mosaic law meaning the Ten Commandments.
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Actually fairly sure that’s what he means, especially given his views on Pharisees and violence, and especially given Paul saying people can eat meats etc
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @BretWeinstein
Part of why the commandments and bible are "antiquated" are their lack of clarity and the contradictions in the text. The bible is self-contradictory and contradictory to the far clearer moral imperatives and instructions we have access to today.
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Replying to @AirliftAnders @BretWeinstein
Again, mistaking the unintelligible for he unintelligent. It seems like what you’re really saying is you don’t like a book telling you what to do you’d rather select the books you want to listen to yourself and that’s fine, that’s why there is freedom of religion.
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But I would suggest against trying to reform a religion you have little understanding of and it seems you have a hard time separating OT/NT and Judaism/Christianity. Not a lot understand the subtleties but I’d hardly say it’s “obvious” that the Ten Commandments are outdated.
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Particularly how Jesus “updated” Judaism particularly with reference to stonings & dietary restrictions, which are separate from the Ten Commandments/Mosaic Law. I agree that religions need “updating” but it’s not at all obvious what will happen if we change things we don’t get
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