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    1. Brian Zahnd‏Verified account @BrianZahnd Jul 31

      Calvinism is not conservative. Be it right or wrong (I say wrong), Calvinism is certainly not conservative!

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    2. Brian Zahnd‏Verified account @BrianZahnd Jul 31

      It’s a 500 year old improvisation on a 2,000 year old faith.

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    3. Brian Zahnd‏Verified account @BrianZahnd Jul 31

      John Calvin (1509-1564) A theology named after a theologian who lived 15 centuries after Christ and 12 centuries after the Council of Nicea can hardly be considered CONSERVative. It may be correct (I don’t think so), but if it is correct, it’s a correct *progessive* theology.

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    4. Josh Culley‏ @jovial_cynic Jul 31
      Replying to @BrianZahnd

      I attend a church that leans calvinist. I've not read Calvin, but I haven't found myself having much conflict with the pastor's messages. What is the main issue people have with calvinism? Do we disagree about sovereignty?

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    5. Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
      Replying to @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

      Imo a confusion that predestination means every single instant is determined by God and he is therefore in complete control and we have no free will. I would argue that is actually less sovereignty than God having foreknowledge of all possible worlds and their pre-destiny.

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    6. Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
      Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

      Further how can we confront being made in Gods image and having no freedom at all? Limited or constrained free will makes far more phenomenological sense and the language of the Bible reflects that.

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    7. Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
      Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

      A confusion of works vs grace with matters of free will is absurd. Obviously we have no work in our salvation, no cause-and-effect relationship on a human level. If we are asking a scientific or philosophical question about determinism, we must be clear about that.

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    8. Josh Culley‏ @jovial_cynic Aug 1
      Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @BrianZahnd

      Re: natural determinism, I agree that this is a different conversation than a "God's chosen people" conversation. But you seem to imply that calvinists are determinists. Am I understanding you incorrectly? Because I don't think most folks are that intellectually aloof.

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      Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
      Replying to @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

      I’m not sure if John Calvin’s ideas are determinist... they might imply we lack free will but he might just limit it. I would say it’s more the calvinIST that I’ve met espouse what are effectively deterministic views.

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        2. Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
          Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

          I have found that there are dozens of different definitions of determinism and compatibilism and at a pastoral level most people take these ideas in what is essentially a physical determinist manner. I’m more open to non-causal divine determination.

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        3. Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
          Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

          It’s an insanely deep discussion and most non-intellectuals get lost in the weeds so I sortof wonder what the point is at the end of the day.

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        4. Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
          Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

          Part of me is suspicious because the free will vs determinism debate has been going on for thousands of years and when certain theologians seem to claim they have resolved the issue with certainty it makes me think they are constructing a priestly veil to keep out the laity.

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        5. Josh Culley‏ @jovial_cynic Aug 1
          Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @BrianZahnd

          It does feel like an intellectual exercise more than anything else. The consequences of the differing viewpoints seem to be minimal; you can twist either view into a perverse "logical conclusion," just as easily as you can find grace in them.

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        6. Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Aug 1
          Replying to @jovial_cynic @BrianZahnd

          Agree. To easy to blame people who tend toward free will arguments of being focused on works and too easy to accuse determinists of being irresponsible. Something like that.

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        7. Josh Culley‏ @jovial_cynic Aug 1
          Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @BrianZahnd

          Much harder to simply love God above all else, and to love one's neighbor as themselves. ... but the mental gymnastics of the debate can be entertaining.

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