1. > And all their minds transfigured so together, This showed that the myth was collective (interdividual) rather than individual, and also implied the role of mutual imitation.
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2. > More witnesseth than fancy's images; "The myth should not be confused with pure fiction, with the product of individual imagination or with a poetic inspiration that functions in complete isolation. Myth is not a subjective fabrication." - René Girard, A Theater of Envy
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"...This is the capital statement, irreconcilable with Theseus's fatuous skepticism." - Girard.
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3. > And grows to something of great constancy, The myth has a stable structure, "with all sorts of consequences that the purely subjective theory of Theseus cannot take into account." Theseus, and New Atheists
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"She [Hippolyta] secretly repudiates his scapegoating of the poet, the lunatic, and the lover, which is the reverse of, and ultimately the same thing as, the official idolatry of "pure fiction" forever triumphant in modern literary criticism (AKA academic IYIs)." - Girard
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"Theseus is the high priest of an optimistic humanism that performs a neat expulsion of the midsummer night under the triple heading of poetry, lunacy, and love." - Girard Girard knew that
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@nntaleb, in contrast with the IYIs mentioned above, knew the importance of sacrifice and mimetic desire in René Girard's works:https://twitter.com/MimeticValue/status/1023786702605901824 …Mimetïc Value added,
Mimetïc Value @MimeticValueFor Girard, a contagious mass movement, reaching a paroxysm of violence, would select an arbitrary victim, developing a widespread hostility towards it or him. The elimination of the scapegoat would assuage the violent tendencies of the group. -@nntaleb https://medium.com/incerto/no-worship-without-skin-in-the-game-70b4aa341092 …2 replies 1 retweet 21 likesShow this thread -
Replying to @MimeticValue @nntaleb
In Girardian terms, is the scape-goat *always* arbitrary?
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It's not exactly arbitrary, because there's a mechanism to it, but it's not attached to a specific identity. Perhaps
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What I am getting at is that: Could it be that the scapegoat could actually be deserving of collective punishment in some cases? Did Girard account for that?
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If he is guilty, how much more the model? I think Girards answer is that we are all guilty.
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @Pv and
Yes. Actually that's the whole point of the Gospels
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