In my opinion, value combines two different things: 1/ work exchange (money given for your work, money as purchase power, as a mean to buy others work) AND 2/ the law of supply and demand, where, truly, imitation and conflict cans deeply modify value.
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Replying to @GirardForum @Ahimsa_Satya_
There's something here that I've the trouble finding the words for. I think you're mostly right. Question is what is this work you're doing creating? If you're producing a good that's high on Maslow's Hierarchy, then it's still mimetic desire at the root.
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Replying to @MimeticValue @GirardForum
I think there is a confusion even here. Work is done toward a goal. A goal in itself has a value determined by market. There are various means to that end. The effectiveness of those means is valued by markets. The ends are Mimetic, the means perhaps not, tho they spread thus.
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue
Work's value doesn't completely depend on markets: you can work for yourself, it's work, it has value, it builds something, but it's not saled. You can also barter. In common experience, many goals of work are no choice goals: needs first and then some mimetic pleasures.
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Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue
Even in a market of 1 it is still a market. Barter is still markets. But I am still not sure of that. The Bible speaks of goals aiming toward security are come not from God but from anxiety and lack of trust in God. Is not Manna a sign that desire for food is Mimetic?
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue
Needs are modified by desire but are also independant: eating is a need but eating this or that can come from desire. We underestimated mimetic desire, we must now avoid to overestimate it. It doesn't explain everything.
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Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue
Needs are real, but I wonder if not the search to fulfil those needs comes from a desire for security rather than a need fulfillment. It seems natural to not desire needs to be fulfilled but to simply fulfil them. When food is scarce (always artificially) is when desire enters.
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Reminds me of the proverb, lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain. It seems that being poor, while not in itself sinful, increases this sinful desire for security. Just as richness increases desire for self-sufficiency before god.
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue
"Ahimsa" is a buddhist name but I see you're more christian than I am. I believed for many years but now I don't. I still appreciate the moral aspects, the wisdom, of christianity but a loving God in Creation, that's what I can't "see". I see the opposite: a cruel Creation.
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Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue
I was raised very very piously in an Old German Baptist Brethern (Schwarzenau) community in the United States, descending from the first Anabaptists.pic.twitter.com/SbFdeTveGm
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I am certainly Christian but I am not very denominational and believe in Truth from other religious sources. I believe “one thing happens to all” and this is a source of great evil in the world. I also see evil in man. The world a veil of tears.
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These problems of violence and evil to me have been greatly helped by a study of Job and Ecclesiastes. The rain falls on the just and unjust alike.
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Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @MimeticValue
I'm also very interested in violence, evil, wisdom. We'll have occasions to go further.
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