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    1. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 21

      Mimetïc Value Retweeted Alessandra

      Why I don't trust Effective Altruists:https://twitter.com/alessabocchi/status/1009732858238382080 …

      Mimetïc Value added,

      Alessandra @alessabocchi
      “In the abstract love for humanity you almost always end up for loving only yourself.” Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Idiot, 1869 pic.twitter.com/LvpVQRTNGm
      2 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
    2. René Girard - Forum‏ @GirardForum Jun 21
      Replying to @MimeticValue

      It's misunderstanding Dostoevsky: He opposed the abstract love of humanity to the concrete love of concrete people, true and false altruism. He was NOT suspicious of concrete altruism! He sneered at people full of abstract love of humanity and who could not stand anyone.

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    3. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 21
      Replying to @GirardForum

      Agreed. I think this is nonsense: http://effective-altruism.com/ea/6u/the_drowning_child_and_the_expanding_circle/ … Giving money to a charity is not equivalent to saving a drowning child yourself. Nobody gets saved if everyone only throws money around without concrete action, and you don't know if the money goes to currupt bureaucrats

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      Ahimsa‏ @Ahimsa_Satya_ Jun 21
      Replying to @MimeticValue @GirardForum

      I like a lot of their ideas and generally agree with the distance thing with capital allocation. But very easily becomes narcissistic I think as it’s just a new way to virtue signal that you’re rational AND good. It does point out some counterintuitive areas tho

      11:50 AM - 21 Jun 2018
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        2. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 21
          Replying to @Ahimsa_Satya_ @GirardForum

          Yes, I like the basic idea of evaluating charity with more math and making sure they are legitimate... but I think the movement incentivizes psychopaths who would rationalize that they are overall doing good because they have donated even though they act in harmful ways.

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        3. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 21
          Replying to @MimeticValue @Ahimsa_Satya_ @GirardForum

          And the point in my original tweet: some Effective Altruists would kill all of humanity if they calculate that their metric of insect or AI suffering would reduce by more than the value of human lives. Or that everyone should die because life is suffering.

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        4. René Girard - Forum‏ @GirardForum Jun 21
          Replying to @MimeticValue @Ahimsa_Satya_

          Effective altruism is not all about saving lives, it's also about reducing suffering. Suffering of insects, I don't think so, but of animals, I'm sure it is.

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        5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 21
          Replying to @GirardForum @Ahimsa_Satya_

          There's a certain movement called "effective altruism"... but I don't necessarily believe that they are the only ones who know how to be effective in doing altruism. Also, who decides what's the best way to define or measure what is "effective"?

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        6. René Girard - Forum‏ @GirardForum Jun 21
          Replying to @MimeticValue @Ahimsa_Satya_

          I agree. I don't like the expression "effective altruism". "Altruism" is altruism, rooted in the very natural and mimetic "empathy". If you feel it, you seek to be "effective" but to be "effective" without any feeling seems to me somewhat monstrous.

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        7. Sydney Netter‏ @sydnets Jun 21
          Replying to @GirardForum @MimeticValue @Ahimsa_Satya_

          Wasn't it E O Wilson who invented the term effective altruist? Anybody know what he meant by it? I've read his stuff on ants and on the meaning of life but never really understood that concept.

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        8. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 21
          Replying to @sydnets @GirardForum @Ahimsa_Satya_

          Not sure. I see it used mostly by utilitarians. I think it's good to apply some utilitarian methods to charity, but I strongly disagree with using utilitarianism as an universal ethical framework.

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