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some of the rationalists i'm around view our society as profoundly, infuriatingly dysfunctional, made more tragic when many of the solutions are easy, low-hanging fruit. There's a sense of deep rage from seeing the clearly saner way the world could be. but- 1/
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i think i have this with general conversational/social norms. it feels like the way we talk with each other and treat other people is profoundly, infuriatingly dysfunctional, and if we just took some of the low-hanging solutions, things would be so much saner. 2/
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like, really basic stuff that everybody should agree makes sense. Like, "don't try to shame a behavior by pointing out an unrelated behavior" or "be really careful about making claims about other people's motivations unless you have super strong evidence"
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or "don't insult people". Like, just... don't? In a sane world (or as the rats would say, "on my home planet", people just... don't insult each other, almost ever. I feels like I'm on an alien planet where everyone just agrees that insults are a valid form of debate.
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Agree. The issue is ppl lack self-awareness of why they are behaving this way. And w/o understanding their own motivations, they will at best be “mimicking” not “solving” and the behavior will pop up elsewhere. solution via understanding and not via forced behavior.
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people have varying levels of theory of mind, so i think this goes both ways: 1) weak ToM ppl (commonly rationalists) need to understand that strong ToM ppl intuitively make predictions, sometimes wrong, about others' motivations. to a degree, this happens automatically.
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One related pet peeve of mine is that the erosion of the assumption of good faith is a surprisingly hidden cost of the call-out culture and such, and we vastly underestimate its role.
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