Like, let's say you say someone is a terrible person because of their views on X and the world would be better off if they died. Then later they send you an email about how you're bad and should face consequences. And you call the police and they protest your house.
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Did this happen *because* you said their views on X are terrible and the world would be better off if they died? Not totally but it seems like a pretty big factor. And this doesn't indicate criminal liability for their actions but still, it's a consequence that may be predictable
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I think people saying that the CFAR reunion protest was obviously nonviolent look quite dumb to me after the Ziz landlord attack. Indeed, I believed you and a few others here, but it now seems quite plausible that the protest would have escalated into something more violent.
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I think calling the police was obviously the right thing to do, given what we know now about their willingness to commit violent crimes. I also think that willingness was underlying almost all the other dynamics of the conflict, not the miricult stuff.
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I was at that reunion. They were behaving in ways that would reasonably cause many attendees to be fearful of violent escalation, even if it's not the case that violent escalation would have happened sans police intervention.
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What do you think the specific behaviors were? I wasn't there.
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aggressive body language & tone of voice + others there said ziz et al were blocking them on the path/entrance (during the protest there was discussion of them possibly getting charged with false imprisonment due to stopping people from freely entering/leaving)
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makes sense; aggressive body language and tone of voice are clearly not legal grounds for arrest but blocking people would be, although that's unconfirmed
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I also believed they were blocking the entrance based on accounts.
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I have also heard this. I also thought they had brought chains with them to chain their truck to a tree to block the whole pathway.
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I was there, my memory is that they had blocked the entrance bridge with a vehicle so ppl couldn't leave, while there were children still on the property, and then were hiding around the place wearing dark hoods. My memory is a bit fuzzy tho/I think this is what we were told
How did the police approach? Did they have to go off road to get in?
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IIRC the entrance bridge was on the property & not long & not far from the main building, so they could've gotten close, parked, and crossed on foot.
But I have no direct or second-hand info on how the police in fact approached. Maybe they bolt-cuttered the chains.
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