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He related to some of the descriptions, but inconsistently. like first and second jhana he was like ??? never felt that, but I read third jhana and he was like oh yeah that sounds very familiar. overall he didn't find them to be much of a pattern match

Not sure what this means, but it updates me slightly in the direction of "ppl who experience jhanas are doing so because they've been previously primed by hearing ppl describe jhanas'

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I'm not sure I personally count cause I did most of my own meditation while on psychedelics, but I have spent very many hours in bizarre states, most of them before hearing about jhanas, and I also do not find the jhanas to be a natural description of anything I've experienced.

tho mebbe u gotta do very specific jhana meditation to experience them, and it's not just something that happens to anyone who stares at their own mind enough?

captaindissident BLM (they/them)

er to clarify: I was under the impression jhanas are supposed to be a progression, but he claimed to have experienced something that the third jhana description sounded like, but not the first two; maybe he did independently discover them, but not in order?

2:37 AM · Nov 11, 2022

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Jhanas are an annoying sideshow IMHO, very much distracting. Meditation should bring people to a place where they don’t meditate anymore IMO

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I maybe agree with this

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A Buddhist friend told be I had experienced some of them. But it certainly wasn't in the progression she described. Ngl i didn't pay much attention.

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In my understanding progression through jhanas usually (50%+ of the time) follows classic sequences but it's not absolute, i.e. most people learn to swim before they learn to drive a car

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From my understanding, there's various flavours of buddhism who largely or entirely ignore jhanas in their meditation practice... I never got the impression that they were supposed to be some kind of inevitable part of progression if you just meditate enough

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Im still learning, but as I was first exposed, I also seemed to resonates with 3 and 4 a bit more than 2 Which made me think they were simply different categories, in no particular order. Maybe other than in a convenient way to learn?

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They’re not rungs in a single ladder that everything else happens in - but they are real. I’d been in a thousand variations of mystical states until I accessed jhanas by deliberately aiming there. People are only confused for lack of experience. Hard jhanas are unmistakable.

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I've spent a lot of time meditating and with monks and nuns. I'm currently in Thailand. It's possible to hit any of the 1st 4 jhana w/o progression straight through. Not possible to get past the 1st 4 without discernment. As a check, one needs to understand delusion concentration

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