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I have a friend who's been meditating 2-3 hours a day for a few years now, and has somehow managed to never run into normal meditation knowledge at all. He'd never heard of Jhanas before! So I read him descriptions of the Jhanas to see he'd encountered them independently 1/

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He related to some of the descriptions, but inconsistently. like first and second jhana he was like ??? never felt that, but I read third jhana and he was like oh yeah that sounds very familiar. overall he didn't find them to be much of a pattern match

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Not sure what this means, but it updates me slightly in the direction of "ppl who experience jhanas are doing so because they've been previously primed by hearing ppl describe jhanas'

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I'm not sure I personally count cause I did most of my own meditation while on psychedelics, but I have spent very many hours in bizarre states, most of them before hearing about jhanas, and I also do not find the jhanas to be a natural description of anything I've experienced.

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Do you find it easier or harder to meditate while on psychedelics vs sober?

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on psychedelics definitely. feels like getting roided out and then pumping iron while screaming and you can't stop for eight hours

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loool yeah a lot of times for me, when on psychedelics, if I close my eyes it feels like my eyes are wide open and I can still see 🧿

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