maybe i'm really slow but is part of the reason people get so mad at stuff I say that I find innocent is that they're parsing my beliefs as being *social*? like they interpret the beliefs as existing for fully social reasons and don't see the actual raw belief in there?
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I think it's just disgust, disgust as a moral value. Sometimes I read a post of yours and it conjures up a vivid image that I respond to with disgust. It's not rational, maybe not voluntary.
I have to rationalize myself into allowing things that disgust me.
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Right, but my point is something like, maybe they're parsing my belief as existing *specifically in order to trigger their disgust* instead of being 'curious about the disgust' or existing independently of the disgust.
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"Social reasons" captures something we automatically do when people speak, which is to map the expressed belief to a Weltanschauung that might accommodate it, and then to extrapolate implications to areas of concern (and react emotionally to mental images of alternate realities).
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The chain looks something like: "is this moral" -interpreted> "would I ostracise someone for doing this?" -> "would I ostracise someone for challenging my strong feeling about previous question?" -> "I want to ostracise Aella for signalling she disagrees with my disgust"
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"signalling you disagree" comes from a felt sense that something is so widely common knowledge amongst "the group" that asking the question means fundamental Otherness
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One of the “rationalist” tools I find VERY helpful is the “Typical Mind Fallacy.”
People who treat conversation as a game for scoring social points see your comments as an opportunity for a penalty shot.
They may not think (or care) about your ACTUAL beliefs at all.
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This rings true. Lots of people really seem to gain value in any opportunity to dunk on an internet stranger who they'll never meet. Whether it's for clout, or just feeling superior, it's what I dislike most about this platform. Good faith communication is hard to find.
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A lot of people are unused to (trying to) hold and examine ideas in their mind based on those ideas' own merits and logic. They can't get past their initial emotional reaction to the idea long enough to really consider it. Living unexamined lives.
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I think more that they don’t comprehend you when using their own perspective and biases so they apply their own view on situation instead of actually seeing yours.
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I suspect part of what's happening is that people are trying to predict "what sort of person could I meet that would say this" and then infer things about you that are false based on their (sometimes very faulty) prediction and then blame you for what they predict about you
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