I'm not really familiar with philosophy, so I don't know what term describes my view on morality. But to describe it, it's something like, all moral claims can be broken down into non-moral claims; moral language/concepts are 'shorthand' 1/
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You can say basically the same things in non-moral frameworks as you can in moral frameworks, and this is *preferred*, because all moral frameworks are really incoherent. Morality isn't fundamentally real, it exists sort of as a "layer on top of" social reality.
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Most questions about meta-morality or whatevs do better when u taboo all moral language and see what the questions resolve to without that. Unconditional "shoulds" make no sense to me, and if u remove that you just get a bunch of if-thens, which are more sensible and functional.
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A *ton* of the fuzzy, counterintuitive, and paradoxical moral questions (including lots of utilitarian thought experiments!) only feel that way because they're pointing at the failures of the moral shorthand, gesturing to the fact of information loss as we skipped over steps.
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I take it social reality is the pragmatics of interactions within small groups of people.
Morality is what works between groups of people (after a while).
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"You can say basically the same things in non-moral frameworks as you can in moral frameworks"
Would you have an example to share?
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I differ with this. Cognitive linguistics suggest to me that morality is a cognitive instinct driven by a combination of congenital and inculcated neurological frameworks, and it seems to function in essentially the same way in all cultures. 1/2
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Aren’t they generally real on a spectrum but not absolute - it is better to not cause misery - killing, raping, etc cause and increase misery to the perpetrators and the victims, thus…
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A moral framework is, among other things, a network of heuristics that your subconscious can process in real time to guide you from one moment to the next. It lives more in complexity space than in fundamentals space. You don't derive frameworks like that, you evolve them.
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Do you mind sharing an example? Like for me a lot of things bottom out in "happiness is good, suffering is bad" which still feels moral. I'd be interested in an example of when the switch happens
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X being a layer on top of Y doesn't make X less real than Y. Consciousness is many layers above base physiology, let alone physics, and yet it's at least as real as physics is. Any physics that didn't give rise to consciousness would couldn't be the basis for a universe we ...
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