In my mind, alt-right stuff is roughly equivalent to the woke stuff, just on the other extreme. I don't know how true this is, or how much my reasoning comes from a "things are equal tho aren't they?" fallacy. What kind of evidence should I be looking for to prove/disprove this?
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Consider the motivations behind them. Even the craziest of the woke stuff - and there's some true kookiness - is about inclusion; the alt-right stuff, equally batshit, is about violence and exclusion. IMHO that's one place to start.
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I believe they claim inclusion, but I really, really do not believe they act according to this; they pick an extremely narrow version of inclusion and elevate it, while ignoring everything else that falls outside that sphere.
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What about how much human suffering is caused if either is 100% successful?
That's a way to understand if it's a balance or maybe there's a worse one.
I think there's a worse one.
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I suspect they are similar in that there are very few people who fit the other side’s caricature of them.
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Would depend on your definition of "alt-right." I think a lot of relatively mainstream conservatives and even some liberals have been thrown into the alt-right bucket. I personally have been labeled as such for saying things like "I believe in free speech" and quoting from MLK.
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“Alt-right” refers to people who want a white ethnostate, most of whom want it in the U.S. Attempts to label people who don’t hold those views “alt-right” are just malicious smears
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Studies estimating relative numbers of woke vs alt right people, and especially of influential people. Of course you have to be careful of how these terms are defined. Bernie is not woke, and Jordan Peterson is not alt right, but lots of people talk like they are.
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A lot of the "alt right" is just people who used to be centrist, or even left leaning, and then the overton window shifted.
Just think back on how much culture has changed in 2 years, vs 5, 10
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this thought isn't ready for evidence collection. the first step is to clearly define the thing you are looking for and if you did that in the case of "woke" or "alt-right" my guess is that there would be no way to define either term clearly enough to measure anything about them.
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