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In the gay debate, I don't see "is being gay a choice" as relevant to gay acceptance. Who tf cares, accept them regardless! Similarly, I don't view "are trans ppl autogynephiles" as relevant to trans acceptance. Who tf cares, accept them regardless! The question is a distraction.

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(to be clear both questions can be asked for other reasons, my point is that they're irrelevant if you're trying to answer the question "should we accept these ppl")

6:22 PM · Oct 17, 2021

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I think you are arguing against a Christian talking point. If it wasnt a choice, then it cant really be a sin so if you can convince them of that then they have to re-evaluate their interp of the text, which has been done with success in the church i think

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For sure. Whatever we think about the "being gay is a choice" thing, it's a bad idea to get caught up on that as the debate topic. It's a much harder argument to make than "we should accept gay people either way" and gives false legitimacy to the conservative position

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it's giving 'you're just not trying hard enough to NOT be trans, gay...' 🙄

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Should we treat "them" like "everyone else" is an interesting question. Its interesting to consider that "everyone else" doesn't actually exist as a group that all get treated the same way.

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That only makes sense in a purely individualistic framework. From a societal perspective, both carry negative social externalities, so the subjective onus of conforming to "standard lifestyle" matters in the calculus of acceptability.

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Rhetorical device: flip it and reverse it. "Did you choose to be a cis- hetero-arse, or were you born one?" 😈 Tbh I think ppl who get hung up on if "gay" is a choice, are sexually repressed ppl who aren't on the pure hetero end of the Kinsey scale but have been forced hetero...