I do think most things government does are in fact force and should not be done
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Replying to @Aella_Girl
Is it force if it is (to some degree) consented to? You consent by living/working in the US and retaining citizenship. The alternative to, let’s call it, democratic “soft-force” that is consented to indirectly is far, far worse. 1
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Replying to @SarahTheHaider @Aella_Girl
Either you have a democracy, in which there is a degree of collective consent, or 1) authoritarian govt in which there is virtually none or 2) an anarchic state in which you are in extreme danger (which, inevitably, leads to #1 when a bigger guy decides he wants your shit) 2/2
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Replying to @SarahTheHaider @Aella_Girl
Again, if you wanted to define that as force that’s fine, but the level of freedom you desire is not possible for you unless you are willing and able to deploy enormous violence against anyone who threatens you. 3/2
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Replying to @SarahTheHaider @Aella_Girl
100%. This is the pattern for thousands of years of human history.
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Replying to @NanoHydraulic @Aella_Girl
Right. Anarchic libertarians are *extremely naive* in this department. Tax-free states actually do exist throughout history and frequently form.... in countries ravaged by war. “I want to keep my money”, sure, but without govt protection, how will you do that? 1
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Replying to @SarahTheHaider @NanoHydraulic
I don't think a tax free state is feasible. I think taxes are force and harmful, and to some extent a necessary harm, and should be minimized as much as we can.
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The problem is people view taxes not as a necessary evil and force, but rather as good and consensual. No, they're not. It's like a society which can only operate by executing it's criminals; it might be necessary but let's not view it as good.
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Replying to @Aella_Girl @NanoHydraulic
I tend to agree with you (in that minimalist govt is *often* the best govt), but I wonder if it make sense to even view it in those terms? Consent (even in the case of sexuality) isn’t really black and white, and so stark moral terminology doesn’t seem to fit the bill, imo.
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Replying to @SarahTheHaider @NanoHydraulic
Consent feels incredibly salient to me, and everything is pinned on top of it, and dear tradeoffs made with it. It feels like one of the fundamental building blocks of a complex and functional system, like almost a law of physics.
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And by consent I mean specifically freedom from clear force by others, not freedom from hard circumstantial decisions.
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Interesting point. Consent, as I understand it, is about what may be done to our Self. For example, I feel very strongly about strangers coming in my apartment, because it's part of my Self. Invoking consent for taxes means considering one's money is part of one's Self.
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