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    1. Alice‏ @AliceFromQueens Apr 25

      I like arguing with libertarians. The smart ones force you to sharpen your positions on specific policies, and I approve of their resistance to emotion. But I could do without the evangelism--"what if I told you taxation is theft?--that assumes you've never met a 14-year-old boy

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    2. Indraji‏ @indraji_uw Apr 25
      Replying to @AliceFromQueens

      Which libertarian position/view do you most disagree with? (Being v. general here, I know)

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    3. Alice‏ @AliceFromQueens Apr 25
      Replying to @indraji_uw

      "taxation is theft"

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    4. Indraji‏ @indraji_uw Apr 25
      Replying to @AliceFromQueens

      Should have specified that I meant apart from that one

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    5. Alice‏ @AliceFromQueens Apr 25
      Replying to @indraji_uw

      all the corollaries of it. We don't "possess" our property as some natural right. We borrow it from the commonwealth, at its sufferance, and should be allowed to use it only in so far as its use conduces to a generally benevolent society.

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      Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl Apr 25
      Replying to @AliceFromQueens

      Lol this view is like, physically horrifying to me. I got nausea reading it. I disagree in like every possible way my values orient me to humanity and the world.

      10:51 AM - 25 Apr 2021
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        2. Alice‏ @AliceFromQueens Apr 25
          Replying to @Aella_Girl

          well, not surprisingly, we differ in regard to private property. But to me this isn't simply normative. It's a rough description of the way our society is arranged, though the ppl society most rewards have an interest in not acknowledging their debt

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        3. Woko Haram‏ @Pythagasaurus2 Apr 25
          Replying to @AliceFromQueens @Aella_Girl

          It doesn't even matter much how one feels about this its evidently correct. All rights are contingencies from negotiations with the commonwealth. The idea of rights being anything beyond that is puerile, frankly

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        2. 𝐮𝐩𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐂𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐓𝐎𝐑 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭‏ @yhdistyminen Apr 25
          Replying to @Aella_Girl @AliceFromQueens

          it's pretty close to the way property actually works, though. property rights are respected to the extent that they make society better. they're not inviolable. taxes are good.

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        3. Kyle Rowland‏ @rowlandkyles Apr 25
          Replying to @yhdistyminen @koaleszenz and

          Well, what is "inviolable" by your standard? For instance, someone could say "Uighurs' religious freedoms are respected to the extent that they make society better. They're not inviolable. National security is good." Is that re-framing legitimate?

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        2. gmunny‏ @gmunny33 Apr 25
          Replying to @Aella_Girl @AliceFromQueens

          I share your concern that other people appear all too happy to take what is yours. My views have changed in large part because without a Leviathan (see Hobbes), without society, we are nothing. We would not live in some Ayn Rand wonderworld. We would live in lawless chaos.

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        3. gmunny‏ @gmunny33 Apr 25
          Replying to @gmunny33 @Aella_Girl @AliceFromQueens

          Look at the conditions humans lived in for millions of years prior to civilization. It was directly antithetical to human flourishing. Governments can be corrupt, sure. But strong governments are necessary if not sufficient by themselves. And for those you need taxes.

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        1. ollie‏ @olzhu Apr 25
          Replying to @Aella_Girl @AliceFromQueens

          good arg.

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        2. Thomas Cleveland‏ @tcleveland4real Apr 25
          Replying to @ebruenig @AliceFromQueens @Aella_Girl

          Saying it belongs to the commonwealth also requires quite a bit of metaphysics.

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        2. Improv‏ @dachte Apr 25
          Replying to @Aella_Girl @AliceFromQueens

          As a former libertarian who now holds these views, I'll note that being able to hold both of these perspectives in one head and switching between them is a little bit like having a good stereogram puzzle in front of you.

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        3. Filosofella‏ @filosofella Apr 25
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          What steered you toward libertarianism, and what steered you away?

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