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I feel like I'm in crazytown when I express distress about taxation - literally people forcibly taking away your property - and ppl act like I'm the crazy one. Sure, you could argue that this forcible theft is worth it, and I'll respect that, but it's still not crazy to be upset.

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I think taxation is theft and it is always bad. I think bad is inevitable but we should minimize the amount of it; I think *some* taxation is necessary before the other badness kicks in, but it's way, way lower than what we have right now.

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But where does the notion of theft come from when, if you're talking about say your value in the labour market, that is only being determined within a taxed society. If you earn $20 per hour and pay $4 tax, why do you think this is theft? Why are you sure it should be $20?

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If you went to a super super low tax status place you would realise it is either, tremendously poor general services, or that they are very classist society, with an almost slave like underclass serving the elite. No tax doesn't work in broad societies.

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I would absolutel prefer to live in a place with much poorer general services in exchange for what I'd consider a reasonable level of taxation.

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How could you think that though? With poorer general services the welfare of the rest of society is poor, health care, access to transportation, safety in certain areas. Therefore everyone loses because there's less capital for would consumers. Without the above how do you work?

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Naw man; give me a poor area where I don't get taxed, and if I'm also assuming good laws (low taxes don't mean shit if you're not allowed to start a business), then I'll bring some friends who think like me and we'll start building.

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I see a poor area with no bad government control as opportunity - here, you can make things that bring everybody up and nobody will stop you.

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And again I guess that comes back to what I said earlier, fine if you want to live in a small place, with a very ordered society and classist, little social mobility. Who would fund really niche things that don't occur much? Specialist cancer hospitals, or certain illnesses

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Historically, this was funded successfully by charity. Healthcare costs in general would be *much* lower; very rare, specialist things are harder, require more research, and I do think would be less likely to be taken care of until tech develops further.

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Was it? Or was mortality much lower because such things were not catered for? I feel twitter really stifles this debate haha and we have much more to say! Thanks for the discussion!