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I was a libertarian even when I was sleeping on a floor mattress, going hungry and responding to craigslist ads for jobs that required sludging thru sewers. You might disagree, and that's fine, but "only financially privileged ppl are libertarian" has never ever felt true to me.

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I also had libertarian friends who were similarly poor; I think the thing that made us libertarian wasn't moneyness, but was we tended to be harder, more masculine, we tended to place agency strongly within ourselves vs outside, were extremely independent, and self-suppressive.

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Libertarianism felt like it embodied a philosophy of strength. "No one will help us", pioneer style. One of my friends was a marine. I'd come out of a very strict religious life. We had been trained to endure and keep going; high stress, high responsibility. Push your limits.

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I still operate under a clear view of responsibility; either you're responsible for a thing or you're not. No one is ever allowed to encroach on you, or you ok them. It's the philosophy of emotional boundaries/consent, but applied to all of life and property.

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This is all *underlying* stuff; there's a lot of non-libertarian-esque things that I'm totally fine with, like communes, social support networks, welfare, etc. - assuming they are done in a way that doesn't violate the deep down underlying structure of freedom.

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But my ultimate point is that I suspect money isn't the biggest divider of whether someone is libertarian or not; I think it's the hyper-agenty, masculine, clear-boundaries personality type. I do however suspect ppl with this personality tend to end up earning more money.

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I fail to see a correlation between masculinity and libertinism, but I will love a profesional opinion on the subject

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The fact that (anecdotally) about 90% of Libertarians seem to be males bears this correlation out in my opinion.

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But why? Are males more into politics? Do women don't know their opinion on politics?

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Multivariate: 1: Men are generally more prone to political "extremism" (by which I mean anything more unusual than garden-variety dem/rep) than women are. 2: What Aella described above. Libertarianism presupposes are more "traditionally masculine" worldview.

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Yeah; society associates a way more internal locus of control to men than women; as in, more things are their fault, there’s less expectation on the world to help them (see; ratio of gendered homeless shelters, gender problems are ‘patriarchy’). Libertarianism accentuates this

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50% of the planet is female. I mean, if what you say is true, it is the way most humans want it to be. But still I see no correlation. I really would like a professional opinion on the matter as this subject is very interesting to me.