it's not exploitative if both parties entered into the agreement voluntarily and fully informed
Conversation
Replying to
Yet when things go south between the parties, there's often a 'victim' claiming 'i was abused or exploited' nonetheless.
And it becomes one's word against another: as there's no formal proof of a 'voluntary & informed' arrangement.
1
Replying to
Ideally, agency plays a role, too? Some people may deliberately exploit self hatred, insecurity and fear of abandonment in others. (I agree that it may still be necessary or on balance better to accept exploitation among consenting adults in most circumstances)
1
14
Show replies
Replying to
Let's say there's a pandemic and myself and others, for example, buy up all of the PPE in the area for the purposes of re-selling it for a large profit. As you've been placed somewhat under duress, you may very well buy from me. Would that be exploitative?
Replying to
you could have an agreement where one party is making a really bad decision (by the standards of their own values) and the other is knowingly taking advantage of this
fully informed doesn’t imply fully capable of making a good decision
5
1
35
Replying to
fully informed isn't possible
if it resists error correction, it is exploitative
2
Replying to
Especially in a clueless (users.ox.ac.uk/~mert2255/pape) universe, full information about the outcomes is probably computationally hard (many trivial problems in game theory have only NP-complete solutions), and agents are running on bounded rationality.
1
1
2
Replying to
Exceptions (eg barring child-adult sexual relationships), but think that’s the only standard that can be enforced legally. But think it’s often true that ppl are manipulated+taken advantage of in ways they consent to but don’t understand, and that this qualifies as exploitation.
1
Replying to
That's not what exploit means. What you describe is abuse. Exploit is when you take advantage of the weakness of someone/thing.
1
Replying to
Is it exploitative if for one party, the only alternative to agreement was harm befalling them? What level of harm makes the agreement exploitative? Loss of life? Loss of livelihood/housing/etc.?
4
Replying to
Thats not true. You can be fully informed of, and willing to engage in, your own exploitation, and that doesn't stop it from being exploitation.
1










