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I assumed that systemic oppression had caused poverty which led to increased crime rates in black US populations. But

wrote a fantastic piece I'm just now seeing in which they find this is not the case; it seems to be fatherlessness. 1/ randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/11/16/rac

Aella

@Aella_Girl

Sep 14, 2020

When controlling for poverty, black people still have higher crime rates - but this is not really the case if you control for *single motherhood*; as in, poor black communities with lots of fathers don't have more crime. Cool - if this is true, this seems useful! But- 2/

Aella

@Aella_Girl

Sep 14, 2020

Why is there such high fatherlessness? Black people tend to cheat more, which is probably a piece to this puzzle, but it only kicks the can farther down the road - *why* do they cheat more? When and how did this disparity start? 3/ ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheat

Aella

@Aella_Girl

Sep 14, 2020

Black people are more religious pewforum.org/religious-land and more socially conservative pewforum.org/fact-sheet/cha which I would have guessed predicts greater monogamy and 'nuclear family', but seems not to be the case. How long has this been going on? 4/

Aella

@Aella_Girl

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-A This has some theories: *African culture emphasizes extended networks, not fatherhood *Something something welfare? *Incarceration? But why didn't this create fatherlessness/cheating/broken families for white people in similar situations?

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African-American family structure - Wikipedia

3:55 PM · Sep 14, 2020

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I wonder if there's a big difference between slave descended and immigrants for fatherlessness I wonder if some of it is a product of slavery forcibly separating fathers

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Part of the experience of the slave trade was a near-total erasure of the shared heritage and historical memories from the enslaved people's homelands (by design), so I'm not sure that comparisons to the culture of African peoples will be instructive here. Interesting topic tho

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Right, but I'm a little unclear on original causation here; as in, why didn't this cycle happen to high crime white communities? I'm under the impression that there isn't significant enough racial bias in the justice system to be the full explanation.

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I would guess that soft cultural/social factors which are hard to measure play a big role and that the best indirect statistical evidence one might get for that would be to look at crime, incarceration, poverty and education of the parent and esp. (grand-)grandparent generation

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Good questions. Welfare is not a bad idea--men can leave women and children to sew their seed without worrying whether they'll survive (and womem will be less worried about him leaving). Fearlessness has increased in whites over the same period. Why not as much? Not sure.

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@rawjaat

Sep 14, 2020

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@Aella_Girl

Probably didn't affect white people as much because at minimum education has always been better in white neighborhoods, and the more educated you are, the less likely you are to commit crimes.