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    1. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      in traits; e.g., 'dresses' are something that occur in the 'woman' cluster. A certain look to facial features and body type is also associated as 'womanness' (and why trans people try to assume this appearance in order to become 'womanly'). Same with genitals and temperment 2/

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    2. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      It's also based a lot on shared experience and treatment! Being raised female is a 'womanly trait'; having men pursue you is a 'womanly trait'. Wanting to have a safe space away from ambient sexual pressure is a womanly trait. 3/

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    3. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      So - are trans women, women? I think the question should be, "How much do trans women overlap with the 'womanhood' cluster of traits?' and the answer is... it depends. It varies per trans person, and depends on how much society perceives them as women. 4/

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    4. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      For some trans women, they overlap so closely to the 'womanhood' sphere that I consider it bigoted to not consider them to be women, because really the amount they deviate from the womanhood-traits-cluster is not really more than biological women. If you're going to call 5/

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    5. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      a trans woman who overlaps harder with femininity than butch lesbian Jill 'not a woman' then you are probably transphobic. Because a lot of "actual women" aren't that womanly. I myself have a lot of traits that push me away from womanhood, yet you still think I qualify. 6/

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    6. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      This being said, some trans people don't map very well onto womanhood at all. I think this is really unfortunate for all parties - it really is painful and dysphoric for them, and confusing and difficult for others too. I think *this* is where "trans women aren't women" could- 7/

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    7. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      possibly have some meaning, given we take it at face value and you're not tryin to slip an asshole opinion under the cracks. What this means is that some trans women do not overlap well at all with the cluster of traits that appear so consistently as the pattern we label 'woman.'

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    8. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      What should we do about this? I think providing better social support to help these trans people actually overlap with womanhood better makes sense. Easier access to estrogen as an adult, greater social approval for surgery, and empathy for what they're going through.

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    9. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      But generally, this is the frame I use to understand people who say "trans women aren't women." They're trying to communicate that there's a gap in their pattern recognition, and that this gap is meaningful. And - sometimes it is meaningful, in that it has concrete impacts!

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    10. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      As in; maybe you want to have a group centered around support from being sexually pursued as a woman from an early age. Unfortunately, most trans women don't have this experience, and so the gap is meaningful. There's also meaningful gaps in medical fields.

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      Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      I think what some people who are saying 'trans women aren't women' actually want is for meaningful gaps to be acknowledged. I do think that if you said "ok sure there are some differences" they would really lighten up and be way more open to actually supporting trans people.

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        2. the opg‏ @AdmiralOPG 12 Jul 2020
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          man, rip your mentions for the next couple days

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        3. Sarah‏ @sarahskeychains 12 Jul 2020
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          you must be new around here :)

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        2. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

          This seems... way too simplistic. There's a lot of people who fit what you said who my brain intuitively considers to be 'woman.' Like... a great example is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOw2E_qAsE …. I don't care what facts you tell me about her, my brain screams 'WOMAN' when I watch this video.

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        1. Oleg Ruvinsky‏ @Matzan481_ 12 Jul 2020
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          Well this is gonna be interesting. Or horrifying. Or both.

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        1. Liam‏ @Liam_1009 12 Jul 2020
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          This is precisely where I am on the issue. Just stating trans women are women as a blanket statement is stupid. The complexity is that legislation and society likes to deal in blanket absolutes. We can't check who is quite womanly enough to enter a changing room for example.

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        2. Divi filius‏ @ProfessorMaven 12 Jul 2020
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          @threadreaderapp unroll

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        1. Nesdon Booth‏ @Nesdon 12 Jul 2020
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          In a dm conversation with Em of Matt Vox fame, she said something like... I don't know any trans people who don't think it's more complicated than that. Then why get so hurt when others say the same thing, seems counterproductive.

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        1. Brit‏ @Brit44545109 12 Jul 2020
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          Yes, this. AND also there is a subset of trans-women, of the Yaniv variety, for whom this is obviously a fetish. (NOT ALL TRANS WOMEN) but the subset is real and it is a threat to women and by blanketing all trans women as automatically women it invites in abusers.

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