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    1. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      Are trans women, women? What is a woman? It's a cluster of traits that's reappeared so often that we recognize it as a pattern. These traits are all over the board - physical, behavioral, mental. Nobody has the perfect set of all 'woman' traits, but we recognize 'womanness' 1/

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    2. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      in traits; e.g., 'dresses' are something that occur in the 'woman' cluster. A certain look to facial features and body type is also associated as 'womanness' (and why trans people try to assume this appearance in order to become 'womanly'). Same with genitals and temperment 2/

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    3. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      It's also based a lot on shared experience and treatment! Being raised female is a 'womanly trait'; having men pursue you is a 'womanly trait'. Wanting to have a safe space away from ambient sexual pressure is a womanly trait. 3/

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    4. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      So - are trans women, women? I think the question should be, "How much do trans women overlap with the 'womanhood' cluster of traits?' and the answer is... it depends. It varies per trans person, and depends on how much society perceives them as women. 4/

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    5. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      For some trans women, they overlap so closely to the 'womanhood' sphere that I consider it bigoted to not consider them to be women, because really the amount they deviate from the womanhood-traits-cluster is not really more than biological women. If you're going to call 5/

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      Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

      a trans woman who overlaps harder with femininity than butch lesbian Jill 'not a woman' then you are probably transphobic. Because a lot of "actual women" aren't that womanly. I myself have a lot of traits that push me away from womanhood, yet you still think I qualify. 6/

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        2. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

          This being said, some trans people don't map very well onto womanhood at all. I think this is really unfortunate for all parties - it really is painful and dysphoric for them, and confusing and difficult for others too. I think *this* is where "trans women aren't women" could- 7/

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        3. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

          possibly have some meaning, given we take it at face value and you're not tryin to slip an asshole opinion under the cracks. What this means is that some trans women do not overlap well at all with the cluster of traits that appear so consistently as the pattern we label 'woman.'

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        4. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

          What should we do about this? I think providing better social support to help these trans people actually overlap with womanhood better makes sense. Easier access to estrogen as an adult, greater social approval for surgery, and empathy for what they're going through.

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        5. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

          But generally, this is the frame I use to understand people who say "trans women aren't women." They're trying to communicate that there's a gap in their pattern recognition, and that this gap is meaningful. And - sometimes it is meaningful, in that it has concrete impacts!

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        6. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

          As in; maybe you want to have a group centered around support from being sexually pursued as a woman from an early age. Unfortunately, most trans women don't have this experience, and so the gap is meaningful. There's also meaningful gaps in medical fields.

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        7. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 12 Jul 2020

          I think what some people who are saying 'trans women aren't women' actually want is for meaningful gaps to be acknowledged. I do think that if you said "ok sure there are some differences" they would really lighten up and be way more open to actually supporting trans people.

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        2. Avalanche‏ @biocompound 16 Sep 2020
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          If you think performance of *expectations* of the female sex makes one more female than someone who is *actually* of the female sex, you might be... don't want to call you a "sexist," Aella (not personally offended) but it's clear why some women may take that as an affront.

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        3. Aella‏Verified account @Aella_Girl 16 Sep 2020
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          Yes, this is what I mean but I wanna be clear that the majority of these things are effortless for biological woman; they're already naturally taking estrogen!

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