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You know why Christians think being gay is wrong? They have a framework. Men and women are meant to reflect a symbolic structure of responsibility and union, as seen in the church and god's relationship to man. Procreation is very important. Gay relationships are a perversion 1/

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of the good order of things. Christians believe in this framework, complete with terms and concepts that make no actual sense if you pay really close attention but are culturally discussed like real actual things, so much that it feels like an obvious, default way of life. 2/

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Guess what other group is developing a big symbolic framework with a bunch of terms and concepts that feel obvious (that they expect you to educate yourself to the 'correct' way) and default (that it's intensively normalized in the culture)? 3/

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The parallels between my cultish, evangelical homeschooled upbringing and the discourse I'm seeing going on in public mediums right now is chillingly similar. I am freaked the absolute fuck out. We're descending right back into the judgmental, intolerant shithole we came from. 4/

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And guess what - judgmental, intolerant shitholes *do not feel like that from the inside*. They feel good and virtuous. If you think 'no, this isn't a descent into a judgmental ignorant shithole because it's good and virtuous' then this only INCREASES HOW FREAKED OUT I FEEL

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And to be clear - there's lots of other discourse out there around topics I vehemently disagree with or find absolutely harmful, that are *not* engaging in this terrifying religiosity. This religiosity is a new, viral beast and it's taking over like early Christianity.

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I caught on to this back in 2014 and I've heard persuasive arguments that it goes back way farther than that. You only notice when it is too late.

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This adds up with my suspicion that liberal guilt and shame low key have a catholic vibe to them

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I had a very similar upbringing, I'm so disturbed by what I'm seeing. It's a moral panic, a mass hysteria. And it's distracting from real change that needs to happen to help even out the starting line for so many that have been historically left behind.

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Of course! The difference is the formerly ostracized want to be in charge this time.

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Sometimes I don’t feel like we have progressed much as humanity. Technologically speaking of course we have, but somehow we think those two mean the same thing. We switch one dogma for another and pat ourselves on the back as if we are getting anywhere better 👻

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I've been having the conversation that perhaps escaping/recovering from that cultish upbringing acts as an innoculation against that style of thought. I often have more in common with ex-mormons and ex-catholics who are still theists, than I do with people who were raised atheist