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1/ When I was a Christian, we believed that we were persecuted. Any time there was a high profile killing of a Christian, we heard about it. Any bad thing that happened to Christians was fed through a narrative that the world was out to get us because they hated us.

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1/ If you use your own experience with a particular "injustice" as proof of the "narrativization" of other people's realities you're effectively equating all the mentioned injustices. From what I've studied & the data I've seen, the opposite of what you say for these injustices

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2/ is occurring and those people are speaking to their own experiences as well. So then it boils down to everything being subjective experience with a narrative attaches or even the data can be biased. So who do you feel should be listened to? And does that mean we should allow

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3/ these injustices to repeat inconsequentially? Because you yourself pointed out that poor neighborhoods tend to be black and are therefore policed harder so is it no surprise that they tend to experience the worst of it? Their safety is always in question when they're near cops

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4/ and it stems from generations of mistreatment. They are allowed to be vocal about this issue as much as they want and people should support them. As someone with dark skin, I can say I too have experienced the issue first hand. So I don't see what you're hoping to say here...

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5/ Though I must add, I'm not black nor am I using my experience as proof of what happens other than to point out that it just further fuels my interest in the discussion.

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I think that part of what she’s saying isn’t wrong. In short: police respond to crime, crimes are often committed by the poor, a large number of the poor are black, blacks respond to police, this has become a viscous cycle. Or something along those lines

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True, it is a vicious cycle! She does have a point that there is a certain degree of disregard for data but I think you can't dismiss the feelings of an oppressed people... also comparing the Christian victimization narrative to this just seems so dissociated and irrelevant.

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I see what you're saying now. I guess what I read (into it) is her saying you should be able to discuss facts and data without it being assumed you don't care about the feelings involved.

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I think that is also a part of what she’s saying. Someone that is mostly speaking analytically is often narrated as inconsiderate or emotionless and so their argument should be thought invalid. Clear and concise arguments supported by evidence are attacked by narrative pushers

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I'm also afraid of the passion that comes out of the sense of being victimized. And obviously this isn't black and white - there's lots of times where I sympathize with it and view it as a really important part of change. But I can both sympathize with it *and* be afraid of it.

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When people see themselves as a victim they may feel backed into a corner, combine that with strong emotions, and they are very likely to lash out in any way they can. I can empathize with their emotions but, I’m wary of their reactions

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