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Aella
@Aella_Girl
1/ When I was a Christian, we believed that we were persecuted. Any time there was a high profile killing of a Christian, we heard about it. Any bad thing that happened to Christians was fed through a narrative that the world was out to get us because they hated us.
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2/ As a woman, I hear a lot about sexism. I personally don't much view things through gendered lenses, and so don't interpret negative stuff that happens to me as sexism, because often I think it isn't. The wage gap is mostly a myth, yet I hear it being promoted constantly.
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@Aella_Girl
3/ So I have a similar view about feminism as I do about my old Christianity - we're being emphasized specific examples in a victim narrative that gives us a sense of cohesion and power, gives shape to our pains and a clear moral direction for where to go.
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4/ Tangent: The US has been really shitty to black people. Even ignoring slavery - we've actively burned down prosperous black cities, regulated them into poverty, and also done a lot of lynching. There's a reason black people are on average poorer, and it's largely the white US.
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5/ Poverty breeds crime, and areas of higher crime get higher police violence, pretty proportionally. Since black people make up more of the poor population, they experience more police brutality. This is an indirect, lasting effect of the systemic racism of the past.
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@Aella_Girl
6/ But when adjusted for poverty and crime and stuff, as far as I can tell (open to debate! lots of studies, nuanced!), it appears there's actually no significant disparity in police violence based on race. But the cultural narrative right now is the complete opposite.
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@Aella_Girl
7/ This doesn't surprise me; a group's lived experiences don't necessarily mean much (unless we want to believe evangelical Christians are persecuted in the US, or ignore data about the wage gap). It's real easy to construct a wide variety of opinions on the same experience.
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@Aella_Girl
8/ But moreso, I'm concerned that a more important discussion around police brutality and training is being coopted by a statistically unsupported narrative around racism. I don't mean that racism isn't real or that its lasting effects aren't part of the background here
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@Aella_Girl
9/but the huge, uncritical acceptance of unjustified racial bias in the use of police force is absolutely eerie to me. I feel like I'm in crazytown that nobody's having serious discussions about the data here. Shouldn't the data be extremely important to our attitudes about this?
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@Aella_Girl
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@Aella_Girl
To be completely fair, the stuff here is still nuanced! There's racial bias found some places, in some levels, depending on where you look. But even including this, it's very far from the widespread police racism that you'd think exists from looking on social media.
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@Aella_Girl
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@jzlegion
True! I believe that the data I'm looking at is adjusted for criminality. Black people are more likely to be criminals (likely as a side effect of the poverty which is a result of the systemic racism I mentioned in the thread). Check out the studies I linked.
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alth0u🤸
@alth0u
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@Aella_Girl
agree, and i'm glad you have the platform to say this unfortunately a good narrative trumps all (pun intended) all woes are economic and class based but people are stirred to action by a moral narrative either an injustice to be corrected or an oppression to be avenged
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ilybot
@ilybot3
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@Aella_Girl
"We assume that the reason an officer shoots a suspect... " Faulty assumption. SSC ignores the fact that blacks are 2.5x as likely to be shot based on pop. by claiming that cops "should shoot" based on n=12 stats for cops being shot at. But n=12 << n=41 of cop shootings
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Tess
@xsphi
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@Aella_Girl
Something to note: if you're controlling for crime, that only measures police killing racism relative to racism of the rest of the system
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