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Aella
@Aella_Girl
Money isn't real. It's a social construct. Some people hate it, and live without it. Some people are traumatized by it. Some people want to burn it all. Some people love it, especially when they have a lot of it. It still has a lot of power, even though it's not real and hated.1/
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@Aella_Girl
It's obviously a thing to refer to, if you have money you can say it's not real all you want but at the end of the day you're still gonna be able to afford food and shelter. I think this is sort of my confusion with nonbinary stuff. They say gender isn't real, is a social-
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@Aella_Girl
construct. Maybe they've been traumatized by it, want to exist outside of it. This sounds fine, legitimate, valid, I get it. But gender, like money, affects you in real, concrete ways, regardless of your relationship to it.
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Aella
@Aella_Girl
Saying you're not a woman feels like insisting you don't have money. Like, I understand you believe that, and I understand your relationship to money is different than mine, but at the end of the day the practical effects from this giant social illusion *still exists*.
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@Aella_Girl
To me, I process gender as something close to the "practical effects from this giant social illusion." I think I process nonbinary identities as "expression of distaste for, trauma from, or feeling trapped by this social illusion." Both of these categories seem valid to me.
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Aella
@Aella_Girl
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@Aella_Girl
P.S. - some of you are harping on my use of the word 'real.' Yes I get money is real. I get social constructs are real things. I was using 'not real' to allude to the fact they are constructs, non-absolute, relative, etc.
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imuli
@trystimuli
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@Aella_Girl
There are many social environments. Here are four - a) people who heavily rely on binary gender to script interactions, b) like a, but try to treat nonbinary folk neutrally, c) people who try to ignore gender, d) friends (who have personalized scripts for you).
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Cow Tongue
@cowtung
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@Aella_Girl
Not everyone has the same social illusion sense. Some of us notice, at what feels like a biological level, the incursion of external memeplexes and bristle as something like an immune response comes online to expunge it from our brains. I run money memes in a virtual machine.
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Lorelei
@I_0r3l3i
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@Aella_Girl
in general I'm pretty sympathetic to the idea that standard gendered categorizations and scripts are unfair and coercive in damaging and illigitimate ways that can end up being essentially culturally supported gaslighting of gnc and nb people who's identities and agency aren't...
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