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I've been trying to interview 'enlightened' people and it's so hard because people's relationship with that word is extremely fucky. People are like "yes i am basically everything described by enlightenment but no i'm not enlightened" and I *get* it but it makes this hard

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They are incredibly rare and generally not available for anything substantive to the merely curious.

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I'd be willing to talk to people who view enlightenment as "incredibly rare", even if they don't view themselves as that, as long as they feel they know clearly what that state entails/how it's defined/what it isn't.

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Like, the point of my project right now is to try to map out the different things people mean with that word, not to find the "correct" enlightenment.

11:43 PM · Dec 10, 2019

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Persistent lived experience of no-self (Jed McKenna) or persistent lived experience of something far greater than the self (Daoist / Mystic).

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Aella

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Dec 11, 2019

yes, I'm very familiar with this paper and at this point no longer consider it reliable

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Have you come across Ken Wilber? His books Integral Psychology, Integral Psychology and several others are versions of this project. Maybe you want to start from scratch, but his work is really great.

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It’s just like knowledge, the more you are, the more you realize there’s a much longer journey ahead. From there, you only go higher to a point you can view the game.

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It's a permanent shift in consciousness, from being aware of oneself as this body-mind, to being aware of oneself as Pure Awareness, which is then realised as the substratum of this experienced world

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That’s actually a more useful project!

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Read about Gary Weber