Not really? My mind doesn't change, but it does freak me out a little bit how good people were at rationalizing things then (and by extension, probably today too)
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Like, pro-slavery arguments were 'sane'-sounding. Most of what I've read relies on two main points - 1., if you're gonna be anti-slavery you have to change how you treat women/children/animals which is absurd, and 2., we're actively helping the enslaved, this is best for them
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Maybe it is killing a baby, but if killing a fetus = killing a baby then i'm fine with mothers killing their babies.
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For... abortion? Maybe I'm missing your point here, I don't understand the similarity.
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Ah I understand. Still though, you could take that exact same argument and reverse it - you're arguing for the evil of "removing agency from a woman's body" and everything you say about it is just rationalizing.
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Right. I mean, I used to believe this - I used to protest planned parenthood even. I think your view is a logical extension of some type of philosophy about 'murder' and 'person' and 'rights'. I think the issue lies in the underlying philosophy, not in the logical extension.
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As in, it feels really weird to say that upon the moment of conception, the thing is a full person with the right to live. Like, there's plenty of animals with way more cognitive capacity and ability to feel pain that pro-life and pro-choice people alike are fine with killing.
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We seem to collectively have an idea of 'right to llive' with something something humanity, or pain-feelingness, or 'surviving-ness. It's pretty unclear where the border is. The religious pro-life view imbues humanity with Special Soul-ness from the get-go, which is complicated
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Cause if I'm gonna buy into the Special Soulness then I have to buy into a lot of other stuff that's pretty hard for me to swallow and doesn't really make intuitive sense to me.
But I agree pro-choicers do claim there is Specialness but don't know where to draw the line.
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but you're assuming that the inherent value of HUMAN life is equivalent to that of say a chicken or a rabbit. It's not. Secondly, why is it difficult to come to the conclusion that regardless of developmental stage, human life has tremendous value?