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sexist: women use guns less in suicide because they're worried their corpse won't be attractive not sexist: women avoiding guns in suicide is further evidence of how pervasive and mighty the grip of social pressures on women's appearances. (cont...)

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Basically: There's an interesting measure here of what is socially acceptable to say if you add on "bad society pressure" to remove the blame directly from the group you're discussing. And to clarify, I think "bad society pressure" is often a legit reason and I'm not arguing we-

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shouldn't use it, I'm just noticing that there's pressure to add it as a caveat when discussing 'negative' things about a group. I'm also curious about when there *isn't* pressure to add it as a caveat. Sometimes "bad society pressure" is missing from discussions.

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This seems like a really good way to see who's in a culture's shithouse: Drop your "bad society pressure" from an observation about a group and see if anybody notices.

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Racist: "Black people do more crime" Not racist: "Black people do more crime because poverty causes crime, and black people have been historically disenfranchised which resulted in severe poverty."

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Racist: "Native americans get drunk and beat each other" "Not racist: "Yeah, because they were literally wiped out/kinda genocided, and restricted to tiny reservations which resulted in intense poverty, no shit they have high alcohol rates and low mental health support"

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Sexist: "Men oppress women" Not sexist: "Because society has reinforced that - men who don't show their strength sufficiently are mocked instead of given social support"

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