My mom was once arrested for blocking the entrance to an abortion clinic (years later, I protested planned parenthood alongside her). If you walked up to my mom and told her she only cared about controlling women's bodies, that would have been such an insult.
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To be clear: I think (even really late) abortions should be legal. I think it's better for society in almost every way.
But the pro-choice rhetoric sucks absolute balls, come fucking on guys you are better than this. You don't have to demonize the enemy to win.
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Stop saying it's about controlling women's bodies, it isn't. Acknowledge that the opponent thinks they're doing good, but are misled, and then continue the debate with actual real facts, not lazy mischaracterizations.
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My opinion is pretty controversial for even the pro-abortion crowd.
I don't think the 'is it human' is the right question for 'should we kill it.' I think 'does it hurt anybody to kill it' is more the right question, which means I'm kindaok with killing up till memory formation.
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I am not taking any stance here, but I am curious if you think it is ok to torture a person or animal if they won't remember it afterwards? Independently of that question, is it ok to kill someone instantly/painlessly if no-one remembers them? (I find these questions puzzling.)
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I'm not ok with torture, I'm ok with the killing but only given certain conditions. "Creating a norm where people are afraid of being killed if nobody remembers them" creates harm, so I'm not down with that.
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In other words, you are down with letting people disappear in their sleep, but you won't tell them because they might spend time agonizing about the question when you'll do it? :)
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I have some caveats but yes. I mean, maybe I die every night and get replaced by a clone and I'm not too mad about it. Even if I didn't get replaced by a clone I still wouldn't be mad about it.
I'm with you in these judgements. Did you discover any other measure of the value of human esthetics that could be used by effective altruists or AGI ethicists, or do you think that all these pursuits require maintaining a measure of confusion?
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I'm not really into ethics. I know the EAs and AGI ethicists are trying to make the world a place they would most want to live in and that seems cool by me.
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