My mom once got pregnant with a fetus with half a brain and some important organs missing. Doctors told her it was definitely going to die, she should abort. Nope - she carried the baby to term, gave birth, and he died in her arms. Here's me and my brother in this photo
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My mom was once arrested for blocking the entrance to an abortion clinic (years later, I protested planned parenthood alongside her). If you walked up to my mom and told her she only cared about controlling women's bodies, that would have been such an insult.
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To be clear: I think (even really late) abortions should be legal. I think it's better for society in almost every way.
But the pro-choice rhetoric sucks absolute balls, come fucking on guys you are better than this. You don't have to demonize the enemy to win.
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Stop saying it's about controlling women's bodies, it isn't. Acknowledge that the opponent thinks they're doing good, but are misled, and then continue the debate with actual real facts, not lazy mischaracterizations.
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The kind of person who debates a pro-lifer with the lazy insistence that their motivation is bad is the kind of person who believes good things because they are *lucky*, not because they are *good at thinking*
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This is the same kind of person who, had they been born in a different culture, would have embraced the norms of that culture, even if they were barbaric. I can't credit these pro-choicers with any correctness beyond what was given them by their culture.
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And the amount the "they only want to control women!" narrative permeates every discussion is incredible. It's such a heavily dominant opinion in any progressive circle and any suggestion that maybe they actually are trying to save babies is outright rejected or even mocked.
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People who don't understand basic biology trying to impose their standards upon others in that context have no right to claim they don't deserve to be mocked, regardless of their intentions.
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This is exactly the kind of reaction I'm talking about. I'm not talking about what should happen from your point of view, I'm saying that we should imagine what it's like to be someone who, in their reality, babies are being slaughtered around you.
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I can respect that their point of view is without malice and formed from completely pure intentions. Good people can hold contrary opinions to me (and be correct in holding them), but it doesn't mean those views shouldn't be mocked.
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I guess it depends on your goal. If your goal is to feel good or virtue signal to your community, then mock away. If your goal is to communicate with pro-lifers or contribute to an overall dialogue that might change their minds, then it's an extremely inefficient route.