The claim that this is really about controlling women's bodies is horseshit. It's a side effect, not the main goal. It's just super easy to take unflattering side effects and point at it and scream loudly THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED ALL ALONG, YOU VILLAINS
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Would be like if you campaigned for women's equal working rights in a sexist country, and then all the sexists came out of the woodwork to insist that your true goal all along was to separate women from their children, you anti-family monster.
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My mom once got pregnant with a fetus with half a brain and some important organs missing. Doctors told her it was definitely going to die, she should abort. Nope - she carried the baby to term, gave birth, and he died in her arms. Here's me and my brother in this photo
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My mom was once arrested for blocking the entrance to an abortion clinic (years later, I protested planned parenthood alongside her). If you walked up to my mom and told her she only cared about controlling women's bodies, that would have been such an insult.
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To be clear: I think (even really late) abortions should be legal. I think it's better for society in almost every way.
But the pro-choice rhetoric sucks absolute balls, come fucking on guys you are better than this. You don't have to demonize the enemy to win.
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Stop saying it's about controlling women's bodies, it isn't. Acknowledge that the opponent thinks they're doing good, but are misled, and then continue the debate with actual real facts, not lazy mischaracterizations.
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The kind of person who debates a pro-lifer with the lazy insistence that their motivation is bad is the kind of person who believes good things because they are *lucky*, not because they are *good at thinking*
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This is the same kind of person who, had they been born in a different culture, would have embraced the norms of that culture, even if they were barbaric. I can't credit these pro-choicers with any correctness beyond what was given them by their culture.
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And the amount the "they only want to control women!" narrative permeates every discussion is incredible. It's such a heavily dominant opinion in any progressive circle and any suggestion that maybe they actually are trying to save babies is outright rejected or even mocked.
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Yes they think they save a child's life but they definitely do not care about it from the moment it is finally born. If they cared about life that much, they should also provide for a child to have everything it needs to grow up. But no, the mother and father are on their own
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This is a fair critique! But it's not a critique about abortion, it's a critique about conservative values being more on independence and less on care and empathy.
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For me it's clear: the economy practised in the USA is not sustainable unless the population of the US keeps growing at a steady rate. It has the highest population growth of all developed countries. And everything, from education to religion is geared to that.
Aella, if you're going to split hairs in your argument, allow me to split hairs in my response. Conservative Values and Pro-Life activism are linked and cannot be separated on this issue. If you are against Sex Ed, Planned Parenthood, Family Planning. (P1)
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